Gay play comments - Police question father

[Cerys]

Are teachers/the schools respectful of alternative opinions on the matter I wonder?

Or if a child expresses disapproval or an objection to homosexuality, should the parents receive a knock on the door from the Police as this man has?

If a child expresses disapproval then obviously they're one of the few who are too young to understand (not one of the many, as you stated). Having a grown adult and a child spouting homophobic views is completely different as the adult 9 times out of 10 surely has malicious intent, whereas the child either doesn't understand or has been brought up with them views, imo.
And yes I think the knock on the door was warranted, if people expressed concern over it then why shouldn't the police have a word with him. People have been arrested for racial slurs so why should homophobic statements be an exception.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If a child expresses disapproval then obviously they're one of the few who are too young to understand (not one of the many, as you stated). Having a grown adult and a child spouting homophobic views is completely different as the adult 9 times out of 10 surely has malicious intent, whereas the child either doesn't understand or has been brought up with them views, imo.

Hang on, what if they do understand but happen to believe different to what you/the school are teaching them?

And yes I think the knock on the door was warranted, if people expressed concern over it then why shouldn't the police have a word with him. People have been arrested for racial slurs so why should homophobic statements be an exception.

Wow just wow.

I believe homosexuality is immoral..... are you going to report me now to the statsi Police for holding a view different to your own?

The irony with you is that you cannot see that you are treating people simply for holding a different view to that of your own much how gay people were treated in the 1950s just for engaging in consensual acts in private together. I'm sure you consider back then awfully dark and backwards times... yet look at you.

[Cerys]

Hang on, what if they do understand but happen to believe different to what you/the school are teaching them?



Wow just wow.

I believe homosexuality is immoral..... are you going to report me now for holding a view different to your own?

The irony with you is that you cannot see that you are treating people simply for holding a different view to that of your own much how gay people were treated in the 1950s just for engaging in consensual acts in private together. I'm sure you consider back then awfully dark and backwards times... yet look at you.

Good for you if you believe you're immoral, and if you go around attacking people for who they are then yes you deserve to be reported. In that article (as far as I can tell) you couldn't see exactly what the guy in question stated, if it was something like 'I don't believe in homosexuality' then no he shouldn't have been questioned, however if he full on attacked them then yes he had it coming.

There is no irony and I don't treat people differently due to their views, if they don't agree with homosexuality then that's fine. The problem comes when they start raising their views to an aggressive standard and being verbally abusive.


How about look at this from another angle.


From a young age children are taught about other cultures, however if a racist comes along and says it's wrong and 'the beliefs and morals of the parents come before those of the state', as you said, they'd be told to get lost and deemed as a racist.
If children are then taught from a young age about different sexualities, but a homophobe comes along to say that's wrong, why should the schools have a different stance on that?

What I'm getting at is schools have the choice whether or not to teach their pupils about different aspects of life and help them to understand it. It's up to the child to make their own decision on if they personally believe it's wrong or right. Even if they think it's wrong then the school has allowed them to understand it so it'd be highly unlikely they'd turn into a homophobe.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Good for you if you believe you're immoral, and if you go around attacking people for who they are then yes you deserve to be reported. In that article (as far as I can tell) you couldn't see exactly what the guy in question stated, if it was something like 'I don't believe in homosexuality' then no he shouldn't have been questioned, however if he full on attacked them then yes he had it coming.

All he seemingly stated on social media was that his children shouldn't be taught homosexuality from an early age.

He deserves a knock on the door for that? It's objectionable that anyone receives a visit from the Police for an opinion let alone this.

There is no irony and I don't treat people differently due to their views, if they don't agree with homosexuality then that's fine. The problem comes when they start raising their views to an aggressive standard and being verbally abusive.

Who are you to decide in what tone people express their opinions?

From a young age children are taught about other cultures, however if a racist comes along and says it's wrong and 'the beliefs and morals of the parents come before those of the state', as you said, they'd be told to get lost and deemed as a racist.

If children are then taught from a young age about different sexualities, but a homophobe comes along to say that's wrong, why should the schools have a different stance on that?

I think you've pretty much summed it up and it isn't a good summary for your side either. Given how easily the racism accusation is thrown around now at people it does seem that you too believe if somebody states the opinion that a certain culture is wrong/backwards then they are a racist?

Am I correct? If so then you can report me in addition for believing that Saudi Arabian & Somalian cultures are wrong/backwards in many respects.

What I'm getting at is schools have the choice whether or not to teach their pupils about different aspects of life and help them to understand it. It's up to the child to make their own decision on if they personally believe it's wrong or right. Even if they think it's wrong then the school has allowed them to understand it so it'd be highly unlikely they'd turn into a homophobe.

It's up to the child you say but then you are wanting the Police to visit their parents for holding a view different to your own? Frightening.

[Cerys]

All he seemingly stated on social media was that his children shouldn't be taught homosexuality from an early age.

He deserves a knock on the door for that? It's objectionable that anyone receives a visit from the Police for an opinion let alone this.



Who are you to decide in what tone people express their opinions?



I think you've pretty much summed it up and it isn't a good summary for your side either. Given how easily the racism accusation is thrown around now at people it does seem that you too believe if somebody states the opinion that a certain culture is wrong/backwards then they are a racist?

Am I correct? If so then you can report me in addition for believing that Saudi Arabian & Somalian cultures are wrong/backwards in many respects.



It's up to the child you say but then you are wanting the Police to visit their parents for holding a view different to your own? Frightening.

Then no if that's all he stated it is ridiculous that he got questioned for it.

Hi I'm Cerys and I can decide for myself when I start getting offended by people

Not once did I say that saying you oppose a certain culture is racist, similarly not once did I say that saying you oppose homosexuality is homophobic.

Once again you're putting words into my mouth, good job dan you can't hold a decent discussion without dreaming up something random to say I said :rolleyes:

[FlyingJesus]

Dan it's nothing to do with people not liking someone else having a different view and you know it, it's about safety of the individual. Someone simply not liking the idea of two guys having a tumble is very very different to someone inciting violence over it or (as in this case) claiming that it's somehow damaging to children even though it's nothing to do with sex and everything to do with respect and relationships. Enforced ignorance is never a good solution to anything, that's why it's the job of schools to teach as wide a range of views as possible

[-:Undertaker:-]

Then no if that's all he stated it is ridiculous that he got questioned for it.

Hi I'm Cerys and I can decide for myself when I start getting offended by people

Not once did I say that saying you oppose a certain culture is racist, similarly not once did I say that saying you oppose homosexuality is homophobic.

Once again you're putting words into my mouth, good job dan you can't hold a decent discussion without dreaming up something random to say I said :rolleyes:

But you do realise freedom of speech is there to protect unpopular and offensive speech, right?

That sort of means when you hear something that might outrage you, boil your blood or make you cry... you make your case and show how the other side is wrong by what they said. You do not claim special rights and call 999 for the Police to come for your ideological/social/political opponents.

Dan it's nothing to do with people not liking someone else having a different view and you know it, it's about safety of the individual. Someone simply not liking the idea of two guys having a tumble is very very different to someone inciting violence over it or (as in this case) claiming that it's somehow damaging to children even though it's nothing to do with sex and everything to do with respect and relationships. Enforced ignorance is never a good solution to anything, that's why it's the job of schools to teach as wide a range of views as possible

If the schools were teaching and allowing the other side then fair enough, but they are not. Instead they're ringing the Police on parents.

How Cery's basically justified knocks on people's doors over different opinions is so scary. Even reading or watching debates between hardcore Bible belt people in America who believe gay marriage is the worst thing to happen since the death of Jesus I have never see intolerance of other views on such a level.

[Empired]

Ugh reading long replies on my phone is difficult but to the thing about children not being able to understand:

That's funny because my experience is generally that children are the most understanding about what adults call "controversial" issues. Adults get caught up arguing over things that their inconsequential opinions will not change (for example it amuses me how so many adults think people care about their moral standpoint on the gay community, and more importantly delude themselves into thinking their tantrum on social media will make the slightest difference to what men stick their dick in). But children ask questions that might not seem so important to us but are very important to them, mull it over for a bit and then go back to doing whatever they were doing before.

I think it'd do us all some good to start acting like children from time to time.

Though I'm steering away from the article somewhat so sorry pls continue

[FlyingJesus]

What other side? Are you suggesting that schools ought to outright teach that you shouldn't mix with people who don't do things the way you do them?

[Cerys]

But you do realise freedom of speech is there to protect unpopular and offensive speech, right?

That sort of means when you hear something that might outrage you, boil your blood or make you cry... you make your case and show how the other side is wrong by what they said. You do not claim special rights and call 999 for the Police to come for your ideological/social/political opponents.



If the schools were teaching and allowing the other side then fair enough, but they are not. Instead they're ringing the Police on parents.

How Cery's basically justified knocks on people's doors over different opinions is so scary. Even reading or watching debates between hardcore Bible belt people in America who believe gay marriage is the worst thing to happen since the death of Jesus I have never see intolerance of other views on such a level.

Lol for the last time, I'm only saying a knock on the door is correct if they're saying aggressive views that could hurt people. Stop picking and choosing what you want to read, it's getting embarrassing now