Tier 4 as the government cancels Christmas for millions

[dbgtz]

as much as this whole situation sucks i can at least enjoy how fptp and the government you voted in which basically filled its MPs and the cabinet with yes men has basically come to bite you in the arse

[peteyt]

I keep seeing the British public being blamed for "breaking the rules" but quite clearly the rules are incompatible with human behaviour.

Spain endured and has endured much harsher restrictions since March and it has made ZERO difference.



I'm sorry but this line of thinking is - in the words of Lord Sumption below - fanatical.

Lord Sumption, former Supreme Court Justice, says the government "have been preaching the gospel of lockdown for eight months... The fact is they do not work. If we were all to be sedated, locked in wooden boxes permanently and fed by robots that might work."@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/po0plZy5qH

— Talk (@TalkTV) December 16, 2020

My point is lockdowns will not work if people don't follow them and you telling people not to follow them will just add to the problem. I mean look at China. They seem far better now and part of me wonders if this is due to how strict the government is in general.

In my work there are young people unhappy that they can't go out and get drunk with some stating they just want to go out and don't care if they get infected, they should be able to live their life. And to me it's this selfish thinking that is part of the issue. They aren't thinking of the consequences and some who said this where often helping vulnerable family. So yeah they get infected but don't care but then could pass that on to someone else who isn't as healthy.

The thing is I know people who had to shield due to being vulnerable and they aren't happy that they stayed in following the rules and sometimes struggling while others just did what they want.

In places like Dubai you had to book slots to go shopping. This isn't ideal but it would stop people being able to go out to a shop 5-6 times a day often for stuff that wasn't essential

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[-:Undertaker:-]

as much as this whole situation sucks i can at least enjoy how fptp and the government you voted in which basically filled its MPs and the cabinet with yes men has basically come to bite you in the arse

I do not see the connection. Her Majesty's Official Opposition is even more committed to draconian measures than Her Majesty's Government.

Sadly, I am fighting from the outside yet again with this new crusade. But much like the great European battle, we started as a small group of "odd" outsiders and grew into a national force. I am confident we can continue to hold the government to account, build support by spreading truth and resisting.

I was sceptical about Iraq and official claims of WMD, I was sceptical about official claims about Brexit, and I find myself on the same terrain with Coronavirus.

My point is lockdowns will not work if people don't follow them and you telling people not to follow them will just add to the problem. I mean look at China. They seem far better now and part of me wonders if this is due to how strict the government is in general.

In my work there are young people unhappy that they can't go out and get drunk with some stating they just want to go out and don't care if they get infected, they should be able to live their life. And to me it's this selfish thinking that is part of the issue. They aren't thinking of the consequences and some who said this where often helping vulnerable family. So yeah they get infected but don't care but then could pass that on to someone else who isn't as healthy.

The thing is I know people who had to shield due to being vulnerable and they aren't happy that they stayed in following the rules and sometimes struggling while others just did what they want.

In places like Dubai you had to book slots to go shopping. This isn't ideal but it would stop people being able to go out to a shop 5-6 times a day often for stuff that wasn't essential

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China is a ghastly dictatorship that does not tell the truth and adopts hideously anti-freedom measures to quell any displeasure.

It is not a country to emulate. I ask again, to what extent exactly are you prepared to go to in order to stop a relatively mild virus?

[peteyt]

I do not see the connection. Her Majesty's Official Opposition is even more committed to draconian measures than Her Majesty's Government.

Sadly, I am fighting from the outside yet again with this new crusade. But much like the great European battle, we started as a small group of "odd" outsiders and grew into a national force. I am confident we can continue to hold the government to account, build support by spreading truth and resisting.

I was sceptical about Iraq and official claims of WMD, I was sceptical about official claims about Brexit, and I find myself on the same terrain with Coronavirus.



China is a ghastly dictatorship that does not tell the truth and adopts hideously anti-freedom measures to quell any displeasure.

It is not a country to emulate. I ask again, to what extent exactly are you prepared to go to in order to stop a relatively mild virus?

If they told us to stay in doors for 6 months let's say with one bit of daily exercise outdoors, and able to go out for work and to visit someone if they needed care e.g. lived on their own id be fine with that. I'd rather sacrifice stuff for the short term and have a better future longterm. That's what annoys me, if people hadn't went out unnecessarily during the first lockdown and they'd waited a little longer to lift it would things have been better.

As I mentioned if someone goes out into a shop 5 times a day aren't they more likely to spread the virus if they have it or even catch it than if they went just once a week? I mean you still get people who put notes in their mouth and then wonder why people refuse to take it from them. That to me is unhygienic even without a pandemic

As for brexit both sides where just as bad making up figures etc.

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[-:Undertaker:-]

If they told us to stay in doors for 6 months let's say with one bit of daily exercise outdoors, and able to go out for work and to visit someone if they needed care e.g. lived on their own id be fine with that. I'd rather sacrifice stuff for the short term and have a better future longterm. That's what annoys me, if people hadn't went out unnecessarily during the first lockdown and they'd waited a little longer to lift it would things have been better.

As I mentioned if someone goes out into a shop 5 times a day aren't they more likely to spread the virus if they have it or even catch it than if they went just once a week? I mean you still get people who put notes in their mouth and then wonder why people refuse to take it from them. That to me is unhygienic even without a pandemic

As for brexit both sides where just as bad making up figures etc.

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But yet again, countries such as Spain have decidied this and it has made little/no difference to the statististics.

[peteyt]

But yet again, countries such as Spain have decidied this and it has made little/no difference to the statististics.

I can't answer for them i just feel you can't say a lockdown isn't working when people aren't following it. People are complaining about them trying to be stricter but surely if people didn't break the rules there wouldn't be any need for stricter rules.

I'm not saying everything would be perfect but I do think we'd be in a better position if they had acted faster in the start and locked down quicker and then did it for longer. I feel we are going to keep getting these little lockdowns and I'd rather just do one long strict one

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[Bbcuklol]

If people were to follow the rules and that then I think Tier 4 would of not been in place by this point, we just got to hope that the oxford vaccine gets approved soon/Hopefully by the new year. I just hope that the UK won't need a third lockdown. School and colleges staying which I don't thinks helps as well given the rise in case of sorts of places.

[lawrawrrr]

I do think this lockdown will be extended into the new year, particularly with this new strain that's popped up. Just really hope the vaccine roll-out happens as quickly as possible!

[Seatherny]

Stupid people complaining: OMG BORIS, THIS IS SUCH SHORT NOTICE!!

Well, what did you want Boris to do? Ring up COVID and ask it to take a 7 day break so people didn't complain about the short notice?

How can people be so stupid?

[dbgtz]

i mean there was plenty of time to make these announcements
it was only last wednesday when he said he wasnt going to do it and tried to shame keir starmer