RADIO FANSITES THREATENED TO CLOSE!

[Habtopia]

Im a wee bit confused here,
Is it illegal to stream copyrighted music down the shoutcast without a PPL then?

Sure is

Edit: Have to ring back in another 10 minutes

[Immenseman]

After so many years of fansite radios, why have they only picked up now? Has it only just come to their attention or what? I don't see why fansites don't ignore it until they're threatened with court action or closure or whatever.

[Habtopia]

After so many years of fansite radios, why have they only picked up now? Has it only just come to their attention or what? I don't see why fansites don't ignore it until they're threatened with court action or closure or whatever.

Because sulake have obviously reported them pending the release of there new music in rooms update.

If you wait for court action you can be fined 5 thousand pound, Thats alot of risk for a fansite.

[You]

report it to watchdog i say!!

[Immenseman]

report it to watchdog i say!!

i'm sure they'd love to do a report about habbo fansites not being able to afford an online radio which attracts like 10-400 people depending on the site

[scottish]

It applys to all online radios, and its pointless me doing it without a license and trying to get it busy if one day im going to need one and then not have enough money to back pay it. I know that most fansites will continue doing it illegally but in the future they wownt gain from it.

There is a few things of interest in the rules though.

If you play your own music or if you are a Talkshow you are exempt from needing a license. I dont know if we could make rules for the djs stating this radio is speaking only and include in our Tos that the radio is not monitored by us and any dj breaking a rule needs to be reported to us.

Its only one possability i guess that if the dj breaks the rules we could not be fined but then again we are probaly held accountable for anything that is broadcast on our server.

I know its for every website, but as i said unpopular sites aren't exactly going to get caught because the PPL will only be aware of the popular sites through habbo fansites list, so they're not going to go on habbo to find every website thats related to it getting 2 listeners per hour, they won't waste their time they'll just get the ones on official list and anyone else who phones / contacts them.

[Habtopia]

I know its for every website, but as i said unpopular sites aren't exactly going to get caught because the PPL will only be aware of the popular sites through habbo fansites list, so they're not going to go on habbo to find every website thats related to it getting 2 listeners per hour, they won't waste their time they'll just get the ones on official list and anyone else who phones / contacts them.

Yeah but the fansites they wownt find will be hoping one day to become busy, Then they will find them and back track it years as they will with habbox and clubhabbo.

Check this for a rule....

You may not routinely include in your Broadcast Programming sound recordings within one hour of a request by a listener or at a time specifically designated by the listener.

[TopManTim]

if sulake cared why are all these fansites without licenses official?

at a bad rep for that, no it didn't only just happen, it's always been illegal to not have a licence for radios however I don't think the fansites realised their small radios also needed one.

it's so ironic that you call me an idiot when you're the one in the wrong.

[Habtopia]

Q: What information must I report as reveue?
For purposes of reporting, "gross income" is defined as the revenue generated on behalf of your station before taxes and any other deductions.

• Audio Advertisements – All monies accrued from the sale of in-stream audio spots.
• Banner Advertisements – All monies accrued from the sale of Web-site banner space.
• Donations & Fundraisers – All monies accrued from voluntary donations and fundraisers.
• Products & Services – All monies accrued from the sale of products and services.

Note: Products & Services do not include banner or audio advertisements.

So if we have a radio we must report all our revunue even if its from donations or banner adverts we have on the site....

We may of had to include V.i.p. too but obviously thats out of the question lol.

Gonna ring PPLUK back in a minute

[TopManTim]

that says money generated on behalf of your station so surely VIP for forum and donations for the forum don't count seen as people didn't pay them for the radio?

and when you report your revenue is that for all the years you've had a radio? so VIP will be included? or just for the past year so some VIP included?