The BNP - Good or Bad?

[-:Undertaker:-]

you didn't answer my question

have a look at that post please then tell me

I have answered what was your 'question' and I have stated that homophobia and racism are not the same as denial of a historical event, the top two deliberatley go out to target two groups with direct hatred, whereas denial of a historical event is what it is, denial of a historical event.

[Ardemax]

I have answered what was your 'question' and I have stated that homophobia and racism are not the same as denial of a historical event, the top two deliberatley go out to target two groups with direct hatred, whereas denial of a historical event is what it is, denial of a historical event.

It's not going against gays, and I don't think it's going against a different skin colour. Yet it could be deemed offence.

[Black_Apalachi]

btw does the BNP want to get rid of the Irish?

[MrPinkPanther]

For those claiming the BNP are not racist and should not be banned I would direct you towards the following links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8MZ...eature=related

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's not going against gays, and I don't think it's going against a different skin colour. Yet it could be deemed offence.

It 'could be' deemed offence, i'm pretty sure if somebody gets that worked up over what Nick Griffins opinions are over the holocaust they have some serious issues and need to find something else to do with their time instead of taking offence at opinions that differ to their own. On your point, stop worrying what people might think or whether they will take offence, if they do they do, thats life.

If you have different opinions in a free world then people will take offence, human nature.

For those claiming the BNP are not racist and should not be banned I would direct you towards the following links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8MZ...eature=related

They should not be banned as banning them would make you the facist.

[Ardemax]

It 'could be' deemed offence, i'm pretty sure if somebody gets that worked up over what Nick Griffins opinions are over the holocaust they have some serious issues and need to find something else to do with their time instead of taking offence at opinions that differ to their own. On your point, stop worrying what people might think or whether they will take offence, if they do they do, thats life.

If you have different opinions in a free world then people will take offence, human nature.



They should not be banned as banning them would make you the facist.

So we've come off the whole idea of how it is wrong the deny the holocaust to it's just human nature?

Also to your second point, banning the Nazis and banning Mussolini would be deemed facist?

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, I am saying the left (such as yourself) need to stop stamping on freedom of speech in the name of people possibly being offended at something, stop wrapping us all in cotton wool. On the second point, if they did not commit violence/crime then yes that I would deem that facist, as you are doing the exact thing them two evil crackpots did when they got into power.

[Tash.]

No, I am saying the left (such as yourself) need to stop stamping on freedom of speech in the name of people possibly being offended at something, stop wrapping us all in cotton wool. On the second point, if they did not commit violence/crime then yes that I would deem that facist, as you are doing the exact thing them two evil crackpots did when they got into power.

Apologies for butting into this conversation but, I don't think anyone is suggesting we wrap people up in cotton wool. We're talking about a group of people who's opinions hurt whole races of people. And no, this is not exactly the same as Hitler and Mussolini at all. Hitler and Mussolini did things much much worse than stop freedom of speech, and i'm sorry but nobody remembers them for their tyranny in stopping the free press and you know it. Not everything in life is as simple as 'free speech' for everything thats not violent or would hurt your feelings. Sometimes you have to think of others and i'm sorry but the BNP should not be spouting some of the crap they get away with.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Apologies for butting into this conversation but, I don't think anyone is suggesting we wrap people up in cotton wool. We're talking about a group of people who's opinions hurt whole races of people. And no, this is not exactly the same as Hitler and Mussolini at all. Hitler and Mussolini did things much much worse than stop freedom of speech, and i'm sorry but nobody remembers them for their tyranny in stopping the free press and you know it. Not everything in life is as simple as 'free speech' for everything thats not violent or would hurt your feelings. Sometimes you have to think of others and i'm sorry but the BNP should not be spouting some of the crap they get away with.

The jewish religion is not a race last time I checked. On the issue of Hitler and Mussolini, of course they did much worse things which begs the question of why they have been compared to the BNP in the first place. But I don't mind comparisons because thats how you learn from history, so did Hitler and Mussolini ban free speech? - yes. Are people in this thread proposing to ban free speech? - yes.

On your last point shows the hypocrisy of your argument, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed.

[Seatherny]

The jewish religion is not a race last time I checked.

Oh my god! Stop picking at small things. You know bloody well what she means! :eusa_wall :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: