The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Tash.]

Ok so, basically its not racist. Glad we got over that hurdle.

Did Robert Kilroy Silk say this (is there anywhere else where this can be quoted from fully?) - if he did say this then I disagree with his generalisation, but I do agree in the sense that the Middle East and most muslim countries are backward, and Sharia Law is evil which is part of the faith itself.

The document says it is from the Daily Express on the 25th of February 1991, I haven't checked it but you are welcome to do so. Well there you go, in your opinion the Middle East is backwards, but who are you to judge on how they live their lives? If he did say this, he is a high profile member of UKIP and it just proves that there are racist people, perhaps pushing racist elements of the party.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Daily Express, it was quoted from that.

If that article in question can be found then I will believe the source is genuine.

The document says it is from the Daily Express on the 25th of February 1991, I haven't checked it but you are welcome to do so. Well there you go, in your opinion the Middle East is backwards, but who are you to judge on how they live their lives? If he did say this, he is a high profile member of UKIP and it just proves that there are racist people, perhaps pushing racist elements of the party.

I can judge because we judge all the time, my idea of freedom and democracy ranks higher than corruption and killing in the middle east i'm afraid. You have just basically said to me 'how dare you have an opinion about someone' - well I do, i'm a human being.

On Kilroy Silk, he is no longer a member of UKIP - on racism itself, there will be people in UKIP with racist views who are party members, same with Labour, the Conservatives and others. I do not find his comment racist though, more of a generalisation about extremism.

[Seatherny]

If that article in question can be found then I will believe the source is genuine.

I doubt a Labour member would quote incorrectly. He can be sued for it. Considering he hasn't, there is your proof that its genuine.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A Labour minister/MP/MEP would quote incorrectly and they have accused people before of racism and homophobia on dud terms before; Michael Howard in 2005, David Milliband a few weeks ago accusing the Conservatives of racism and finally the Labour Party accussing the Conservative Party of xenophobia by wanting to claim powers back from the European Union.

[Seatherny]

And if they do it falsley, they get found out. This one hasnt. Like I said, its true. You refuse to believe anything against the UKIP.

UKIP ARE RACISTS FREEDOM OF SPEECH REMEMBER

[Ardemax]

Yeah.......... and 'The holocaust did not happen' is not hateful. Glad we finally cleared this up then. *wipes hands*

Hateful of family members...?


Also Undertaker the links work fine for me.

But I'm pretty much agreeing with what Saurav and Tash have to say.

[-:Undertaker:-]

And if they do it falsley, they get found out. This one hasnt. Like I said, its true. You refuse to believe anything against the UKIP.

UKIP ARE RACISTS FREEDOM OF SPEECH REMEMBER

I have read it. Now pick a part out for me and we will discuss it.

On freedom of speech, I never said holocaust denial/calling UKIP racist should be illegal, it was yourself who did that with one of them. :S

Hateful of family members...?

Also Undertaker the links work fine for me.

But I'm pretty much agreeing with what Saurav and Tash have to say.

I have read it, now i'm waiting for Sauarv to pick out some parts and we can discuss them - instead of himself just saying 'READ DA ARTICLE' - come on, i'm waiting. Infact Ardemax, you can pick some parts out if you are in agreement with them, and you can post it, and why you think that points to UKIP being racist.

[Seatherny]

Pick out parts? Err it lists all the quotes with credible sources. I think its enough proof that UKIP are not only racists but have a hollow head.

[Black_Apalachi]

Hateful of family members...?


Also Undertaker the links work fine for me.

But I'm pretty much agreeing with what Saurav and Tash have to say.

No :S. 'The holocaust didn't happen and I hate all the people who say their family died in it' would be hateful because it has the word hate in it so it is hateful and can be seen as threatening because it says you hate them and hating someone is a very strong thing so yeah see the word hate? Well 'The holocaust didn't happen' doesn't have the word hate in nor does it mention anybody directly so it is not hateful. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

[Ardemax]

No :S. 'The holocaust didn't happen and I hate all the people who say their family died in it' would be hateful because it has the word hate in it so it is hateful and can be seen as threatening because it says you hate them and hating someone is a very strong thing so yeah see the word hate? Well 'The holocaust didn't happen' doesn't have the word hate in nor does it mention anybody directly so it is not hateful. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

That's good init.

Just because it doesn't have the word "hate" in it, it isn't hateful. Hmmm yeah?

Denying the Holocaust could actually mean many things, it could even be seen as mocking someone.