The BNP - Good or Bad?

[-:Undertaker:-]

No I was proving my point regarding Nick Griffin. You didnt care he denies the holocaust even though its a documented part of history so why do you care about what I say? Its freedom of speech.

I said it was his right, just as its your right to say what you want. The point is, you are making it all up and I am challenging you on these issues yet you don't seem to have a credible response at all, and have just admitted that you make it up.

If Nick Griffin was on here posting that the holocaust did not happen I would be posting asking him for evidence and for him to debate it.

And no, Mr. Corbett has put together that document in an excellent way and it doesn't need explaining. You are just annoyed because it shows very clearly why UKIP are racists and clearly dumb.

You will not quote it, maybe its because it turns out you have only read a page or so of the document as Jordy has just quoted yourself stating that (and this is what you yourself said only a few minutes ago) *REMOVED*

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[Seatherny]

I said it was his right, just as its your right to say what you want. The point is, you are making it all up and I am challenging you on these issues yet you don't seem to have a credible response at all, and have just admitted that you make it up.

If Nick Griffin was on here posting that the holocaust did not happen I would be posting asking him for evidence and for him to debate it.



You will not quote it, maybe its because it turns out you have only read a page or so of the document as Jordy has just quoted yourself stating that (and this is what you yourself said only a few minutes ago) "Do you honestly think I care about that document? I haven't even read more than a page of it."

Its my right to say what I want. Glad we agree on that. Thus I shouldn't need to answer to your challeneges and neither should you challenge me as its my right to say it as long as I am not spreading hatred

And thanks for posting part of a PM on the forum and breaking yet more rules My PM to Sammeth. is building up very nicely indeed.

And I said that to Jordy as the guy has no idea what he is on about. I will not quote it? There is nothing to quote :S You seriously seem to not understand. If you are that desperate, you can see all the quotes, reply to each of them then :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

Its my right to say what I want. Glad we agree on that. Thus I shouldn't need to answer to your challeneges and neither should you challenge me as its my right to say it as long as I am not spreading hatred

I can, should and will challenge you because it shows that a) you are making it up as you go along & b) it's the opposite from the truth anyway.

And I said that to Jordy as the guy has no idea what he is on about. I will not quote it? There is nothing to quote :S You seriously seem to not understand. If you are that desperate, you can see all the quotes, reply to each of them then :rolleyes:

I wouldn't say that Jordy doesn't know what he's on about when you yourself are claming Corbett has written an excellent document yet it turns out you haven't read it anyway. ..and yet you still refuse to quote the document.

[Jordy]

Its my right to say what I want. Glad we agree on that. Thus I shouldn't need to answer to your challeneges and neither should you challenge me as its my right to say it as long as I am not spreading hatred

And thanks for posting part of a PM on the forum and breaking yet more rules My PM to Sammeth. is building up very nicely indeed.

And I said that to Jordy as the guy has no idea what he is on about. I will not quote it? There is nothing to quote :S You seriously seem to not understand. If you are that desperate, you can see all the quotes, reply to each of them then :rolleyes:

What do you mean I don't understand? Why should we quote them all and argue, seeing as you refuse to argue back and haven't read it 'allegedly' anyway.

In what way do I have no idea what I am on about? I know that document in your signature is complete rubbish and specifically pointed it out to you how it is, yet you refuse to argue back or even comment on the document.

[Seatherny]

I can, should and will challenge you because it shows that a) you are making it up as you go along & b) it's the opposite from the truth anyway.



I wouldn't say that Jordy doesn't know what he's on about when you yourself are claming Corbett has written an excellent document yet it turns out you haven't read it anyway. ..and yet you still refuse to quote the document.

I have read it hence I am able to post what I did. Going by Jordy's PM, he clearly seems to think he is above everyone else and he is cleverer.

I have said several times, and you fail to understand for whatever reason, why don't you start debating his quotes. Why not? Because you obviously cannot and know for a fact that Mr. Corbett is correct and that UKIP are racists.

[Ardemax]

And thus let the battle commence.

Regarding the Holocaust denial, (which I've been mentoining a lot) I thought you needed evidence to accuse someone? Am I not correct?

What evidence do they have?

[Seatherny]

And thus let the battle commence.

Regarding the Holocaust denial, (which I've been mentoining a lot) I thought you needed evidence to accuse someone? Am I not correct?

What evidence do they have?

Evidence is only required when you accuse UKIP of something. Even when the evidence is there, they refuse to believe it

[-:Undertaker:-]

I have read it hence I am able to post what I did. Going by Jordy's PM, he clearly seems to think he is above everyone else and he is cleverer.

I have said several times, and you fail to understand for whatever reason, why don't you start debating his quotes. Why not? Because you obviously cannot and know for a fact that Mr. Corbett is correct and that UKIP are racists.

..because i'm not the one claiming UKIP are racist and homophobic.

And thus let the battle commence.

Regarding the Holocaust denial, (which I've been mentoining a lot) I thought you needed evidence to accuse someone? Am I not correct?

What evidence do they have?

We didn't say you need evidence to accuse someone, but as shown by this debate, if you don't have evidence or at least, evidence with any solid foundations then you don't have a point to put across at all.

The holocaust deniers claim the gas chambers and so forth were built after the war when the allies landed in the camps, but this of course is rubbish and I could be debating with anyone who denied the holocaust as i'm sure would others if that did occur.

We're not saying because Saurav is against UKIP he shouldn't be allowed to speak, all i'm asking for is for him to back up his side of the debate, and if he could he could well convince me. If i'm wrong I accept it.

[Seatherny]

Well I think the document pretty much lists why UKIP are whatever I claim they are. It has backed it up with quotes from higher level members of the party along with credible sources. If anything on there was incorrect, he would have been sue'd by now.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well I think the document pretty much lists why UKIP are whatever I claim they are. It has backed it up with quotes from higher level members of the party along with credible sources. If anything on there was incorrect, he would have been sue'd by now.

If it is all credible and trustworthy then why can you not quote this and explain how and why UKIP are racist and homophobic. I know you've just read the full document in the past few minutes but I have read it too, and if it had any real credible backup then I myself would be questioning UKIP.

I am not UKIP forever, if they do things I disagree with I would remove my support from them, just as I have with the Conservatives under David Cameron. On the sueing part, i'm sure UKIP have better things to spend their small budget on than former federalist Labour MEPs' posting documents on the internet which have no credibility what so ever.