Why habbox sucks.

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If you call a comment 'stupid', then you are, by definition, being rude. Often, it may not warrant a warning/infraction, however repeated rudeness will.

By definition? Would you mind pointing out where this definition exits becuse ive yet to hear of one like it "/
Rude by definition means ill mannered, or socially incorrect behavior. Calling a stupid comment, stupid does not fit that.

"Human Blood is blue"
That is a stupid statment, by definition, Since the statement is incorrect.

Stupid: # lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity
(definition corticy of google)

That does not fit with the first definition, since it is simply a statment, which is both valid and correct. Useing the words in the correct sence is not ill mannored. Saying that a statment is indeed wrong and that the data presented was written from an ignorant standing is also not ill mannored. it is simple fact?
So ive yet to understand your usage of the word rude in this context?

If you were to be talking with your parents, and they suggested you invite a friend, and you reply "What a stupid thing to say", I think you'll agree that's rude. And I also think you'll agree that if you did it again, they'd punish you

No, my parants are not stupid, and nether am i. Hence i use the word stupid where it applys, misuseing words simply shows someone as ignorant, i prefer not to come acorss as such. If my parent said "the moon is made of cheese" Then yes, that would be a stupid statement, and accordingly i would say "what a stupid thing to say" or more realsticly "what the **** are you on about". But in terms of your analogy, If somthing is stupid, i will call it stupid. Its simply useing a word. If you call somthing stupid, thats clearly not stupid, the obvious logical outcome would be that i myself, or the user, is stupid.

Remember, the Moderators are only doing their job. Anything given, be it infraction, warning or an eventual ban, is given because our main aim is the upkeep of the Forum. If you break the rules, you will be punished accordingly.

There is no rule on this forum against correctly stateing that a stupid statment is stupid. The rules themselves only cover being rude towards a user, or a member of staff, which actualy has a second rule, dispite it saying pretty much exsacty the same as the first and the only differnce being it directly related to staff "/
Since calling a post stupid, is not calling a member stupid, nore directing any negative connotaions towards any one user, no rule covers it?

Does that clear things up?

[ReviewDude]

I agree with what you say, in that sometimes what people post could be called 'stupid'. However, as by the rules of the Forum, you're not allowed to be rude. If you say "That's stupid" or "What a stupid thing to say", to me (however factual it may be) it's being rude.

If someone posted "1+1=4" I could answer:

a) What a stupid thing to say!
b) I disagree, I feel that 1+1=2.
c) That's incorrect/wrong.

Answer a), whilst true (it is a stupid thing to say) is the rude way to answer. Answer b) is the best, as it gives your opinion and justification. Answer c) is still within the rules, as it's not being rude

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I agree with what you say, in that sometimes what people post could be called 'stupid'. However, as by the rules of the Forum, you're not allowed to be rude. If you say "That's stupid" or "What a stupid thing to say", to me (however factual it may be) it's being rude.

If someone posted "1+1=4" I could answer:

a) What a stupid thing to say!
b) I disagree, I feel that 1+1=2.
c) That's incorrect/wrong.

Answer a), whilst true (it is a stupid thing to say) is the rude way to answer. Answer b) is the best, as it gives your opinion and justification. Answer c) is still within the rules, as it's not being rude

Ok, The rule i belive being applied here would be A1.
Respect other people's views and do not be rude or offensive to anyone - Everyone has different views on different topics, respect their views and never be rude or offensive to anybody else.

The boldened part being the bit i belive is relevent. The rule says i should not be rude to "anybody else" Not that i shouldnt be rude. barny the invisable blue dinosuar is a idiot. Is a perfectly acceptable statment under that rule, since im not being rude to anyone. Although i am being rude to a fictisious charicter.
Now a post or a comment, not haveing the status of "sombody" in its own right, is like the fictional blue dinousaur. This post is stupid, is being offencive to the post, but since the post isnt "anybody" the rule does not apply.

Logilcy anyone that seriosly said 1+1=4 is an idiot. Calling them an idiot would be rude and against the rules, as they are "somebody". calling the comment 1+1=4 stupid or idiotic though is simply a factual statment, and rude to the post, which is not "somebody"

Rule A5, is broder in this term, and could include "this statement is stupid" as being rude or insulting towards the inderviual (not directly against them as is requred under the wording for rule A1) but in most instances does not apply, since most people in these arguments are not staff.

Although rule A5 is in fact bias towards staff since the clarifer sirek ads isnt actualy included in the rule aka "becuse members of staff have to be exstra nice to people, people have to be exstra nice to them". the rule itself simply states the people have to be exstra nice to staff, while the staff themselves can be insult a user freely only haveing to abide by the restrictions or rule a1

[F32]

a) What a stupid thing to say! - Infraction, probably a ban.
b) I disagree, I feel that 1+1=2. - Infractiom, probably a ban,
c) That's incorrect/wrong. - Infraction, probably a ban.

You cannot post you opinion, if it's negative on this forum without getting infracted.

[+Peter]

its habbox for god sake everyone hates them

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its habbox for god sake everyone hates them

No, everyone hates you.

[Markness.]

omgzzorz i hate the police, they charge you everytime you punch a randommor in thee street omgzz

^^ same thing ^^

if habbox mods didnt do their jobs properly there would be chaos !

No, everyone hates you.

but evvvvvvverybody loves raymond©

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omgzzorz i hate the police, they charge you everytime you punch a randommor in thee street omgzz

^^ same thing ^^

if habbox mods didnt do their jobs properly there would be chaos !


but evvvvvvverybody loves raymond©

Actualy, if habbox mods, staff etc etc all stopped doing there jobs, a few people would probably spam around, and get insulted by pretty much ever member here, and after a week, any of the spammers will have got bored since no staff reacted, and wondered off, and the forum would probably return pretty much to normal, except people will be allowed to say what they think and the code of conduct will simply be that of simple nettiqute "/

[nvrspk4]

"Human Blood is blue"
That is a stupid statment, by definition, Since the statement is incorrect.

You should stop being so hard on him for that, that statement is in fact a very common misconception, and several teachers actually teach that. While I understand your perspective (and yes you are right) it could be that he recieved information that was incorrect, and this misconception is fueled by the vein tinted blue and the darker red shade when the hemoglobin or whatever is missing. Its a misconception and he may have had that passed on, so is it fair to punish him for what he retained from others?

No, my parants are not stupid, and nether am i. Hence i use the word stupid where it applys, misuseing words simply shows someone as ignorant, i prefer not to come acorss as such. If my parent said "the moon is made of cheese" Then yes, that would be a stupid statement, and accordingly i would say "what a stupid thing to say" or more realsticly "what the **** are you on about". But in terms of your analogy, If somthing is stupid, i will call it stupid. Its simply useing a word. If you call somthing stupid, thats clearly not stupid, the obvious logical outcome would be that i myself, or the user, is stupid.

You have to understand that in this world people come from different angles, see things different ways, and get different information. If my physics teacher told me that Newton was an astronaut, is it fair that should I have had no prior knowledge of that I be flamed for what I thought was true? Equally so, is it fair that I say that you are stupid because your spelling is not that great? Obviously I wouldn't really say anything so mean as I'm aware you're dyslexic and I also happen to think of you as pretty intelligent. But what about someone just joining the forum, not aware of your condition. Is it fair, that just because they did not take the time to fully look into your past and personality, that they be yelled at? Because several people have, and though its mean, its just a lack of information recieved, just because they are not aware of every detail do they become stupid and become liable to be insulted?

There is no rule on this forum against correctly stateing that a stupid statment is stupid. The rules themselves only cover being rude towards a user, or a member of staff, which actualy has a second rule, dispite it saying pretty much exsacty the same as the first and the only differnce being it directly related to staff "/
Since calling a post stupid, is not calling a member stupid, nore directing any negative connotaions towards any one user, no rule covers it?
Does that clear things up?

I'm gonna have to disagree with that. By stating that a post is stupid, you are inferring that the person who made that post is stupid. For example, you calling that post about blood being blue stupid. You were calling the person who made that post ignorant as well were you not? There's obviously the connection there, if I said your post was stupid because you're wrong (though I wouldn't go to that extreme especially as its an opinion). Therefore, though indirectly, you are still making a comment about a person.

Ok, The rule i belive being applied here would be A1.
Respect other people's views and do not be rude or offensive to anyone - Everyone has different views on different topics, respect their views and never be rude or offensive to anybody else.

The boldened part being the bit i belive is relevent. The rule says i should not be rude to "anybody else" Not that i shouldnt be rude. barny the invisable blue dinosuar is a idiot. Is a perfectly acceptable statment under that rule, since im not being rude to anyone. Although i am being rude to a fictisious charicter.

You are absolutely entitled to that opinion. You can also voice opinions on outside entities, IE: President Bush is a ******.

Now a post or a comment, not haveing the status of "sombody" in its own right, is like the fictional blue dinousaur. This post is stupid, is being offencive to the post, but since the post isnt "anybody" the rule does not apply.

Not true. Because we humans have the capacity of sentience (I think that's what the word is :p) and thought, we can read betweeen the lines. If you call a post stupid, you are quite obviously inferring that the person who made the post was stupid, as it was their opinion, logic, or knowledge that was used to construct the post.

Logilcy anyone that seriosly said 1+1=4 is an idiot. Calling them an idiot would be rude and against the rules, as they are "somebody". calling the comment 1+1=4 stupid or idiotic though is simply a factual statment, and rude to the post, which is not "somebody"

Yes, but the logic that constructed that post was made by a person on this forum. Thus by calling the post stupid you call the person and their logic stupid.

Rule A5, is broder in this term, and could include "this statement is stupid" as being rude or insulting towards the inderviual (not directly against them as is requred under the wording for rule A1) but in most instances does not apply, since most people in these arguments are not staff.

That was mostly to give staff more protection, seeing as they are more restricted in terms of being able to respond to things, they can't make a rude response or they could lose their job.

Although rule A5 is in fact bias towards staff since the clarifer sirek ads isnt actualy included in the rule aka "becuse members of staff have to be exstra nice to people, people have to be exstra nice to them". the rule itself simply states the people have to be exstra nice to staff, while the staff themselves can be insult a user freely only haveing to abide by the restrictions or rule a1

Staff may not be rude to a user, and if they are you should report them to 8Freak8. We are limited in many ways in our forms of expression thus comments against us are also limited. As I'm sure you're aware, should a staff member make one little comment that is a little out of line, one, two, three, four, five threads pop up instantly, cawing for the firing of a staff that did one thing wrong.

You cannot post you opinion, if it's negative on this forum without getting infracted.

Not quite. You simply cannot post an opinion that is rude to a member of the forum.

Actualy, if habbox mods, staff etc etc all stopped doing there jobs, a few people would probably spam around, and get insulted by pretty much ever member here, and after a week, any of the spammers will have got bored since no staff reacted, and wondered off, and the forum would probably return pretty much to normal, except people will be allowed to say what they think and the code of conduct will simply be that of simple nettiqute "/

That would be true, if our community was a little older or maybe maturer. Also, some erebels would enjoy being able to spam unbounded. Our forums would lose most of the members as the insulting would go wild, clans would stick together and lash out at anyone who came near. To be honest, this is evident, sadly enough, in two forums. For god's sake, I spent two hours sorting out a "Spam-Runescape" war between the two groups and they went all out, Spam forum members spamming Runescape and vice versa. This forum would become a place of warfare, which clan would take the fore, and then once one clan took it it would be, go along with the clan or be flamed, voice a contrasting opinion and be shunned


I must also say that I hope you don't take offense to this, this is just my view and I have a fair amount of respect for you as you atleast bring logic to your arguments. And its also alot more enjoyable debating someone who uses logic as opposed to sheer childishness or want to just create mayhem which I tend to run into alot more :p

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You should stop being so hard on him for that, that statement is in fact a very common misconception, and several teachers actually teach that. While I understand your perspective (and yes you are right) it could be that he recieved information that was incorrect, and this misconception is fueled by the vein tinted blue and the darker red shade when the hemoglobin or whatever is missing. Its a misconception and he may have had that passed on, so is it fair to punish him for what he retained from others?

Where do you think the science teachers got there information? Other's? Where do you think others got there information? other people again.
If no one corrects these, people, they will become sources of information to others, and others again. Hence feeding ignorance in the world. Ignorance, more than any other thing in existence, is the source, of all suffering, all pain, all war, EVERYTHING that is bad, stems from it. Evil is not caused by malise, its caused by ignorance, whether self inflicted or taught. Do you think if people knew wheather a god existed, or which one it was, they would still kill each other about it? no. Do you think if those involved in 9/11 truely understood there actions, and understood that what they had put the faith in was wrong (Although its a fair argument that, for all i know they could be right, they may be being rewarded by some vengeful god, despite it not being the one described in the scared texts of what they believe)

Everyone can be guilty of ignorance, its impossible not to, but then to try and propergate a misinformation once the truth has been presented to you, refute any and all evidence, fight for ignorance (where there burning books, they will eventually be burning people) That there, is feeding the source of all that is wrong with the world.
If your wrong, admit your wrong if someone tells you something, you are always free to varifie it, check it, test it, ask different people. What point is information unless it is correct.

So yes, its a common misconception, but if you are wrong you should admit it, Choose knowledge over ignorance, not attempt to flame the fans of ignorance, by simply attacking the one providing the different insight. Aka maybe causing a member to be banned, as opposed to accepting what is fact. That there is something that will cause me to loose any and all respect i may have held for an indervidual. Argue back, prove me wrong, then, i may not agree with you, but i will respect you. i know im blunt, i say what i think. But i do hold great respect for anyone who is capable of holding an argument, or winning one against me, I hold utmost respect for anyone that knows more than me, and there are alot of people who do, certain other forums i frequent have members massivly more knolageable than myself, to the exstent i cant get a word in edge ways in a debate there half the time "/

So alot of writeing, summery being, Yes you may have been told somthing wrong, but if your not willing to correct yourself, then no you dont deserve respect.

You have to understand that in this world people come from different angles, see things different ways, and get different information. If my physics teacher told me that Newton was an astronaut, is it fair that should I have had no prior knowledge of that I be flamed for what I thought was true?

No, but if someone refuted it, i would exspect you, to maybe quickly google it, wikipedia, check your facts, and then simply admit, oh yea, your right, bla bla told me it wrong. Or possibly, well actualy bla bla bla ment that technicly bla bla was this and that?

Simply blindly sticking to a fact, ignoreing any new information. that is bad.

Equally so, is it fair that I say that you are stupid because your spelling is not that great? Obviously I wouldn't really say anything so mean as I'm aware you're dyslexic and I also happen to think of you as pretty intelligent.

Not nessarly, If i clamed my spelling was good, then i would be stupid, and so would the statement. Since i acknalage my spellings **** and have no problem admitting that, i am not maintaing ignorance but insted simply acknolageing the fact. And tbh i dont really care as much as people think, telling me my spellings bad isnt really offencive, since it quite obviosly is, i usealy just treat it as a poor insult, since thats how its usealy used, most commonly when ive presenedted an argument and its the only way the person can avoide haveing to accept the wrong and come out of ignornace, its happened here a number of times "/

But what about someone just joining the forum, not aware of your condition. Is it fair, that just because they did not take the time to fully look into your past and personality, that they be yelled at?

Not really and you may notice, when its not used as an insult, i dont yell, normaly i dont yell even if it is, since its a pretty poor insult.
When i go to a new forum, no one has a clue im dislexic and when someone asks why my spelling is crap, im happy to tell them, i really dont think its that much of an important issue "/ How an argument is presented has no effect on the content "/

Because several people have, and though its mean, its just a lack of information recieved, just because they are not aware of every detail do they become stupid and become liable to be insulted?

This is actualy the same effect thats causeing the whole policatal correcness issues in society today. I myself, dont care, at all. But other people do cair, and will randomly start ******** of who ever makes a comment.
Same with the christmas issue, most muslimes dont care. But a load of christants, suddenly rush and start attacking it.

The whole issues are caused by those who are not of the grouping which the issue is based around.

I'm gonna have to disagree with that. By stating that a post is stupid, you are inferring that the person who made that post is stupid. For example, you calling that post about blood being blue stupid.

Intelligent people do stupid things, for a stupid person those same things would be normal. The more intellegent a person is, the stupider a dumb action is. For a stupid person, say blood is blue, although stupid, in relativly i simply a normal thing to say. for an intlligent person, the statment, is a stupid thing to say, since they should in fact know better. So i do not really think the inferance your are makeing is implyed by the statment itself.

You were calling the person who made that post ignorant as well were you not?

Well obviously o.0 How can you get somthing wrong unless your ignorant of the facts?

There's obviously the connection there, if I said your post was stupid because you're wrong (though I wouldn't go to that extreme especially as its an opinion).

If you disagree with my post in its entirety then you belive my post is stupid. You put your argument forward to demostarte this clame is true. I find all the wishywash side steping of issues pointless and annoying, hence when argueing i tend to be very blunt and state exsacty what i mean. Weather you call someone the looser, or the person that did not win. Unless you really are very stupid, you know these are pretty much the same thing, hence one should be seen as no more offencive than the other. The side steping is in no ones benifit, so i myself tend to ignore the customary ******** in my posts. I have no problem if others want to repond to my posts in the same way, or with the ******** included, the message is the same ether way "/

Therefore, though indirectly, you are still making a comment about a person.

Im makeing the same comment if i said "that statement is wrong." or went on at great lengh to put over the same sentiment while avoideing the one word which sums up the opinion on the posts.
Doing that seems like a waste of time to me personaly though "/

You are absolutely entitled to that opinion. You can also voice opinions on outside entities, IE: President Bush is a ******.

That doesnt really make a whole lot of sence? Personaly i think its worse to talk behind someones back. if bush joins the forum, under the interption i think your putting over, we would no longer be able to say "bush is stupid" or "you are stupid" To his face.
Whats the differnce though, of him being here or not. If someone thinks im stupid id have more respect for them, if they can tell it to my face, insted of talking about it behind my back or, in forum terms, actualy back up the statment as well "/ Just saying it behind someones back, is the same thing, just more cowardly "/
Yet your rule seems to say its fine to talk behind peoples backs, just not tell them o.0

Not true. Because we humans have the capacity of sentience (I think that's what the word is :p) and thought, we can read betweeen the lines. If you call a post stupid, you are quite obviously inferring that the person who made the post was stupid, as it was their opinion, logic, or knowledge that was used to construct the post.

Sentiance is more to do with our consiousness as opposed to are reasoning abiltys.

Now, intelligence is measured by are abilty to learn, process data, handle concepts.

You can have the most intellgent person in the world, but if they are told the wrong information, and are unable to varife it, or check it agaisnt other information, they are still not going to know any better, or be any less wrong, if they then make the claim founded upon this incorrect information.

You then give the person more information and the option to varifey this clame. If person is intellgent they would be able to asorb the new information, and if it is varifable more plausable accept this over the old incorrect information, hence then correcting there understanding, and allowing them to learn, and be right in the future clames based around the information.

The stupid person is unable to varife these clames or comprhend concepts nessary, hence will remain useing the incorrect and wrong information as opposed to adopting the correct information.

Now, what the first person said was stupid. but since there inetlegent, they correct it and move on.

What the second person said is stupid. but the fail to correct it, which then implys they are not intelligent and hence stupid themselves.

> subjective information not included in example

So intelgence effects whether an indveriual is stupid, not whether a statement is stupid.

Yes, but the logic that constructed that post was made by a person on this forum. Thus by calling the post stupid you call the person and their logic stupid.

There logic? Logic is an inate concept of human beings, you dont have your own logic, only the abilty to comprihend logical structures.

The concept of 1 added to the concept of 1, creates the concept of 2.
The concept of 1 is represented by the symbol 1. the concept of 2 is reprisented by the symble 2.
if the symbole one repersents the concept 2. then 1+1=4. could be correct if the symble 4 reperisents the concept of 4.

Since your useing the common symbolic concept of 1+1=4. Logicaly that cannot work, hence being stupid, becuse it cannot actualy be comprihended by a human, as A) they dont understand the concept at all and are just parortting an answer, or B) they purposly said it wrong or froidan slip.

The statement is stupid ether way.
The person is only stupid in option A.

That was mostly to give staff more protection, seeing as they are more restricted in terms of being able to respond to things, they can't make a rude response or they could lose their job.

Ive seen quite a few instances of staff getting away with it o.0 And the rules artifical anyway, If wanted it and the staff protection rule could easly be removed and allow people to talk normaly on an even playing field "/ The playing field only needs evening with the members rule becuse of the staff rule unevening it first "/

Staff may not be rude to a user, and if they are you should report them to 8Freak8. We are limited in many ways in our forms of expression thus comments against us are also limited.

Limiting the abilty to exspress information is both stupid and pointless in my opinion, i dont see what can be gained from it outside a dictatorship "/

As I'm sure you're aware, should a staff member make one little comment that is a little out of line, one, two, three, four, five threads pop up instantly, cawing for the firing of a staff that did one thing wrong.

Tbh that depends on the staff member, alot of em get away with it becuse no one really minds, and in some cases it was just done becuse it was funny (back with jackhb), but jack was ok. The posts about staff saying somthing bad, really only come from the noob spam clusters around the habbo forums, in the webdeisgn arias / discuss anything, people dont really care so much.

Not quite. You simply cannot post an opinion that is rude to a member of the forum.

Becuse where only allowed to insult people behind there backs of cause.

That would be true, if our community was a little older or maybe maturer. Also, some erebels would enjoy being able to spam unbounded. Our forums would lose most of the members as the insulting would go wild, clans would stick together and lash out at anyone who came near.

GIve it a week, maybe two, and they'll get bored "/ returns to normal, seen it happen a few times.

To be honest, this is evident, sadly enough, in two forums. For god's sake, I spent two hours sorting out a "Spam-Runescape" war between the two groups and they went all out, Spam forum members spamming Runescape and vice versa. This forum would become a place of warfare, which clan would take the fore, and then once one clan took it it would be, go along with the clan or be flamed, voice a contrasting opinion and be shunned

Meh, ive had entire forums against me before in debates (right wing christan forums + Debates about god being fictonal )
Only differnce is you have to respond to about 9 differnt posts per post :p (and be told how im going to hell for all eternity in about 6 of em)

I must also say that I hope you don't take offense to this, this is just my view and I have a fair amount of respect for you as you atleast bring logic to your arguments. And its also alot more enjoyable debating someone who uses logic as opposed to sheer childishness or want to just create mayhem which I tend to run into alot more :p

As i said, i have upmost respect for anyone willing to argue a point properly as you have done, and have some amount of respect for you, since this is the longest post ive responded to in quite some time. On that note, Can you please try and persuade sirek to just make the debates forum open already?