How very ironic =/

[Catzsy]

I don't get why moderators can't deal with staff. It's just another one of these confusing issues within Habbox, where they try to sort something out, but make it confusing and complicated along the way.

Well I have some sympathy with your view as far as level entry staff are concerned and I hold the view that Smods, maybe, could be trained to deal with it. Having said that but there is always the concern that it would set staff against staff and so best left to a staff editor. There is an upside to that as there is a pretty consistent and fair level of moderation. This has been discussed quite a few times on the forum.

[GommeInc]

Well I have some sympathy with your view as far as level entry staff are concerned and I hold the view that Smods, maybe, could be trained to deal with it. Having said that but there is always the concern that it would set staff against staff and so best left to a staff editor. There is an upside to that as there is a pretty consistent and fair level of moderation. This has been discussed quite a few times on the forum.

So what happens if a staff member goes rogue? A moderator cannot touch their posts and nor can a super moderator by the looks of it. So the forum and possibly the site is screwed... Makes no sense really, just let mods moderate anyone incl. other staff or at least super moderators, because it seems to cause confusion, especially when I am guessing the obvious answer to this will be "mods/super mods can deal with other staff if they go rogue" which contradicts itself because you've been told not to and thus the circle of contradcitory rules and confusion continues...

[Catzsy]

So what happens if a staff member goes rogue? A moderator cannot touch their posts and nor can a super moderator by the looks of it. So the forum and possibly the site is screwed... Makes no sense really, just let mods moderate anyone incl. other staff or at least super moderators, because it seems to cause confusion, especially when I am guessing the obvious answer to this will be "mods/super mods can deal with other staff if they go rogue" which contradicts itself because you've been told not to and thus the circle of contradcitory rules and confusion continues...

Well if the situation was really urgent and required immediate attention normally an admin or FM/AFM/AGM/ GM would be asked if they could deal with it in the absence of the Staff Editor. It's not a matter of dealing with it that's the problem. Threads can be moved out easily enough in an emergency situation and somebody from Senior Management can ban if necessary. The crux of the matter is the actual editing of the post on the forum which is only done by the staff editor in line with the present policy.

[GommeInc]

Surely if they break the Public Forum Rules they should be dealt with like an ordinary member of the HxF public? A public warning if they swear or post pointlessly (subject to whether the post is actually pointless) and for example, messaging a Staff Editor to tell them of the situation.

[nvrspk4]

Hey,

The posts that e5 were making actually had a purpose (they can explain if they want I don't entirely understand, but I know it had a purpose), and yours technically would too if you copied the post. Now, I don't know if you knew what you were doing by pasting Habbo ClubHabbo Habbo Hotel one after another after another, but if you did then you shouldn't be infracted for the post, however it would be fair if you were infracted for the "Staff Suck". If the title was "Members Own" with that text and you actually had a purpose (other than to mock the people from the "Staff Own" thread) then it would be entirely acceptable. If you want me to look into it feel free to contact me about it.

i dont like this rule
it could takes ages for a staff editor/whatever to warn the staff member
moderators should have the power to hand out punishments to every member on the forum, regardless of their position

Nah I usually deal with it soon, I knew about this a few hours after it happened but I didn't do anything for the reasons explained above.

But for your benefit and for GommeInc's benefit below, I explained this a thousand times, most recently in this thread:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...it+staff+posts

here:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...90#post4554690 (bottom of the post)

Moderators can edit if its "Rogue Staff" that endanger others, they have a hidden forum to temporarily move stuff to. Staff can touch other staff's posts in an emergency. However in a NORMAL rule breaking situation where the member is not endangering others and simply breaks a rule (for example insulting or avoiding the filter) they are instructed to PM it to me.

I don't get why moderators can't deal with staff. It's just another one of these confusing issues within Habbox, where they try to sort something out, but make it confusing and complicated along the way.

So what happens if a staff member goes rogue? A moderator cannot touch their posts and nor can a super moderator by the looks of it. So the forum and possibly the site is screwed... Makes no sense really, just let mods moderate anyone incl. other staff or at least super moderators, because it seems to cause confusion, especially when I am guessing the obvious answer to this will be "mods/super mods can deal with other staff if they go rogue" which contradicts itself because you've been told not to and thus the circle of contradcitory rules and confusion continues...

[GommeInc]

But a rogue staff member is just a staff member that is purposely breaking the rules continuously to annoy whoever hired them. You do get staff that will do it out of the blue, like an ordinary member, for no reason and it's accidental. This is because they're the same behaviour wise, except staff should be looked at with more seriousness. If a member gets treated with a public warning written in red, then so should a staff member because they're the same and it won't change anything. If staff go against each other, then you shouldn't hire staff that like to break the rules, or do the obvious thing and look at staff and members as humans, not animals that need to be slapped around with fish.

[Niko Bellic]

Yeah but wasn't that thread in the Spam Forum? So it doesn't really matter, correct? Stop trying to pick at every little thing about the moderators. If there were no moderators everyone will be breaking rules and no one will like the community because you'll get abused left right and centre. So don't go on about the moderators when you have no idea how hard their job is.

[nvrspk4]

But a rogue staff member is just a staff member that is purposely breaking the rules continuously to annoy whoever hired them. You do get staff that will do it out of the blue, like an ordinary member, for no reason and it's accidental. This is because they're the same behaviour wise, except staff should be looked at with more seriousness. If a member gets treated with a public warning written in red, then so should a staff member because they're the same and it won't change anything. If staff go against each other, then you shouldn't hire staff that like to break the rules, or do the obvious thing and look at staff and members as humans, not animals that need to be slapped around with fish.

No, by rogue I mean for example someone who was hacked or someone who has gone on a spamming spree or something like that. There are fairly few who will do it nonstop, if they do there is a means to take care of that.

Staff are indeed looked at with more seriousness, that's why they're routed through a single person. I can decide when to be more strict and when to be just as strict as I would be with a member. Also I see every time a staff member gets in trouble, thus they're dealt with faster than a member might be. As far as the warning in red, it might have been for the title, if it wasn't as I said I could look into that for him

[GommeInc]

No, by rogue I mean for example someone who was hacked or someone who has gone on a spamming spree or something like that. There are fairly few who will do it nonstop, if they do there is a means to take care of that.

Staff are indeed looked at with more seriousness, that's why they're routed through a single person. I can decide when to be more strict and when to be just as strict as I would be with a member. Also I see every time a staff member gets in trouble, thus they're dealt with faster than a member might be. As far as the warning in red, it might have been for the title, if it wasn't as I said I could look into that for him

But as the argument is, they can't be dealt with immediately because they have to wait for a Staff Editor to come online. So no, they aren't dealt with, with more seriousness, because if they were their behavioured would be watched all the time, more so than members which as it is clear, one person who deals with staff vs. however many super mods and moderators to deal with members is kinda clear... Staff aren't dealt with as serious as anyone else.

Moving on to something slightly different. What if a member isn't going rogue but is having 'one of those moments' where they're just fed up with things? That's not being rogue, that's just having a moment of self-inflicted hatred for something. Staff can be rogue aswell as only have short term anger for something. Rogue is just that little bit more serious because it's the final straw if you will, where they decide enough is enough and go on a pointless spamming spree. As we now know, they won't be dealt with immediately because moderators aswell as super moderators cannot touch them, because it breaks the private, moderator rules. Unless this is where rule benind falls into play, which myself and many others are aware of this.

Also, is this about that ClubHabbo thing where they pretending to post a link to ClubHabbo but are actually linking to Habbox because theyve found out how to play with [url] tags?

[jesus]

Why do people argue about absolutely everything that happens on the forum? I honestly see it as pointless.

For example, here someone has made a thread saying that 'staff pwn' or something as part of a miniture 'project' if you like that's going on in the staff forums. Someone then makes a thread saying 'staff suck' and bad-mouthing all the staff, probably so he can get it removed and start an arguement in the feedback.

:S