Thanks Everybody :)

[Jordy]

Who you talking to? if its about my sig thats just what one of the members made and you can see a few people wearing it.
Posting totally of topic in this thread just about sums you up for me :eusa_clap thanks everybody but one person I would have edited it to if I still had edit time.
If you bothered to read ALL the posts on the VIP issue you will realise that the me, the staff and the members are throwing in as many ideas as possible to try and come to a conclusion that will keep habbox up and running (its called brainstorming and as far as im aware its not against the rules) We are allowed to post our opinions on a totally unfair ruling which on new evidence does not appear to have been emailed to ALL the official sites.

Habbox = Habbo FANsite A* to you for observation.
Habbox will not be covering its costs without VIP
Habbo telling people where they spend their money is a little out of order :s
Habbox does way more for habbo's name than habbo actually does for habbox so deserves some support from them instead of daft sanctions.

Back on topic :rolleyes: Well done to you all still :eusa_danc

Who am I talking to? I don't really know, yourself for one and numerous others I guess.

I apologise for bringing it up in this topic but all the topic's are to-do with Sulake and VIP so it's doesn't really matter.

The signature is still wrong no matter who made it, if users really wish to begin debating and protesting about changes they ought to fully understand what's going on before they begin moaning at Sulake and making accusations such as a 'Monopoly'. Though I understand they mean it with good intentions, if people start 'Name calling' Sulake they won't take any of us seriously. It's evident they never have took us seriously thus why they implemented these changes, if we want Sulake to start listening then we as a whole forum who all don't want this change to go ahead should begin acting maturely about the matter before it's taken further.

I surprisingly have read the majority of your replies to the threads, if it's been time 'Well spent' I think that's very debatable, but I'd rather you didn't make any accusations after I spent a long time following the threads so I could form a decent opinion. I believe it's more you who haven't been reading my posts, not the other way round.

Can you please stop bringing other fansites into this? It's only Habbox & ClubHabbo that are affected by it, the rest of the sites are funded by adverts, donations or out the owners back pocket. There will be fansites left no matter what the outcome so can you stop pretending all fansites are in this together when this is in no way the case. There is a few smaller fansites that sell VIP and probably won't or haven't been contacted by Sulake, this is obviously unfair and they should all be punished fairly, but they're probably that small that Sulake haven't found them yet or they're turning a blind eye because they probably make that small amount. It's not really up to Sulake to look for every site on the internet to see who's selling VIP, they found the big one's and the rest are of little interest or need to be reported.

Sulake is out of order to demand fansites stops selling VIP, but they also reserve the right to do it so we can't argue with that their right to do it.

If you're upset that Habbo doesn't 'give' in this fansite relationship then I don't understand why this is being brought up now, Habbo has been all 'Take' and no 'Give' from fansites since 2005. I'm afraid the only thing you can do about this is continue to ignore it and just be grateful they support you a little or pack it in. You may well deserve things from Habbo but you certainly shouldn't expect them and I'm sure any fansite representative would understand how unreliable Sulake are with fansites. They talk the talk but don't walk the talk.

I have no idea on Habbox's financial status for very obvious reasons but I see no reason why they can't survive on adverts when the majority of other Habbo fansites manage fine and nearly all successful websites survived off adverts (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace etc.). I understand you offer a lot of services compared to most fansites but perhaps it's time to cut them, maybe get some more adverts and scrap the likes of HabboxLive which doesn't bring as much to the Habbox Network as maybe the forum, rare values & news do. It's harsh but if there's no other way to survive then drastical action needs to be taken. This Charity VIP is just confusing and potentially mis-leading and I'm yet to see a decent way of saving the VIPs, most the loopholes are so obscure no one would understand what they were buying. It looks like Habbox has made it's decision on VIP anyway judging by the Announcement earlier.

And you also don't give to Habbo that much anyway, what do you give to Habbo? You provide guides & resources & competitions which benefit Habbo users, and debatably the rare values but it's not all that much, there's plenty of other fansites out there doing it so they won't be afraid to target you. I think it's mostly untrue that fansites keep people at Habbo, and the people it does keep at Habbo probably won't spend much as they're more interested in the fansites than the hotel, this contradicts the comments which lots of users have been making saying that HabboxForum VIP does not stop people buying Habbo Credits and that Habbo Fansites keep people playing Habbo, the people it keeps playing Habbo won't be spending money on Habbo so it's totally irrelevant. Oh and Habbo won't need to begin listening to users etc, because HabboxForum & ClubHabbo users make up about 0.4% of regular Habbo players. These great plans & revolts won't do much.

And yes Jrh, this has summed you up for me as well, the negative reputation saying 'Poor Post' said enough. I've frequently campaigned for Quality Posting to be encouraged, yet the thought I put into my post is considered 'Poor'. The Poor Posting comment was totally unecessary and I'm sure you'll find the quality content of my posts is much higher than most other users even if you don't agree with what they're saying.

Anyway I'm probably wrong because Sulake does have the Monopoly, isn't it obvious they got all the hotels first? (very poor joke, sorry )

And no I don't have time to check for typo's and errors sorry.

[N!ck]

There's no way this forum could be entirely funded by ads if VIP revenues went. Besides, many users use Adblock Plus so they won't see the adverts anyway. Websites like FaceBook etc will be directly paid by certain companys to have their ads on their site. Although HxF has recently started doing this, an ad on here is worth no where near as much as on FaceBook. People who use Adblock Plus could at least add the forum as an exception for a start though.

[HotelUser]

Effectively if you are calling Habbo/Sulake a Monopoly then that's slightly hypocritical as most of you have been saying that HabboxForum VIP doesn't stop people spending money on Habbo, a Monopoly would insinuate that you are trying to compete with Habbo and your against their monopoly. You should instead be saying that Sulake cannot have a Monopoly as you are not competing with them.

I feel I've raised some reasonable points in other threads which are being over-looked and ignored. It's beginning to get all very narrow-minded if you don't mind me saying and if you don't start looking at this from a more professional angle, treating Sulake like a business and turning VIP into some Charity 'Joke' then you'll end up with Sulake continuing to ignore you and the media just laughing at you all. Revolting against Habbo is absolutely pathetic, you're a HABBO FANSITE.

Edited by Bomb-Head (Assistant General Manager): Please stay on topic and don't post pointlessly.

If you're referring to his signature, I'm the creator therefore it was me who wrote the unfair monopoly statement. Perhaps your "reasonable points" in other threads are getting ignored because they are not reasonable. Classifying all of us as narrow-minded is a very narrow-minded thing for you to say.

Who am I talking to? I don't really know, yourself for one and numerous others I guess.

I apologise for bringing it up in this topic but all the topic's are to-do with Sulake and VIP so it's doesn't really matter.

The signature is still wrong no matter who made it,

Then you should be addressing me about it.

if users really wish to begin debating and protesting about changes they ought to fully understand what's going on before they begin moaning at Sulake and making accusations such as a 'Monopoly'. Though I understand they mean it with good intentions, if people start 'Name calling' Sulake they won't take any of us seriously.

Yeah...infact lets not through any accusations at them at all, and hope that they'll change their minds anyway:rolleyes:.

Sulake is out of order to demand fansites stops selling VIP, but they also reserve the right to do it so we can't argue with that their right to do it.

I can see what you're saying, however they shouldn't encourage any fansites at all, if they're making restrictions that have such tremendous affects.

I have no idea on Habbox's financial status for very obvious reasons but I see no reason why they can't survive on adverts when the majority of other Habbo fansites manage fine and nearly all successful websites survived off adverts (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace etc.). I understand you offer a lot of services compared to most fansites but perhaps it's time to cut them, maybe get some more adverts

You're obviously not following the VIP threads well enough, because the expenses have been discussed.

and scrap the likes of HabboxLive which doesn't bring as much to the Habbox Network as maybe the forum, rare values & news do.

That is the stupidest opinion I've heard related to the VIP problems (I'm not trying to be mean), HabboxLive has hundreds of listeners. I'm not even a listener of HxL, but I know if it was cut there'd be a few hundred users complaining.

And you also don't give to Habbo that much anyway, what do you give to Habbo? You provide guides & resources & competitions which benefit Habbo users, and debatably the rare values but it's not all that much, there's plenty of other fansites out there doing it so they won't be afraid to target you. I think it's mostly untrue that fansites keep people at Habbo, and the people it does keep at Habbo probably won't spend much as they're more interested in the fansites than the hotel, this contradicts the comments which lots of users have been making saying that HabboxForum VIP does not stop people buying Habbo Credits and that Habbo Fansites keep people playing Habbo, the people it keeps playing Habbo won't be spending money on Habbo so it's totally irrelevant.

If Sulake is concerned about how Habbox is affecting credit purchases, then they must know we have a lot of users. Therefore they would know we need a lot of funding, therefore they wouldn't tell us we couldn't sell VIP, they would just shut us down.

Oh and Habbo won't need to begin listening to users etc, because HabboxForum & ClubHabbo users make up about 0.4% of regular Habbo players. These great plans & revolts won't do much.

0.4%? Interesting statistic, can I get some proof?

And yes Jrh, this has summed you up for me as well, the negative reputation saying 'Poor Post' said enough. I've frequently campaigned for Quality Posting to be encouraged, yet the thought I put into my post is considered 'Poor'. The Poor Posting comment was totally unecessary and I'm sure you'll find the quality content of my posts is much higher than most other users even if you don't agree with what they're saying.

It's a statistic that's totally irrelevant. Why mention it?

And no I don't have time to check for typo's and errors sorry.

But you did have time to make us an essay. On an unrelated note Firefox has built in spell check.

[Jordy]

It's virtually impossible to quote your post because of how the system works so sorry about this.

I aimed my post at the creator of the signature and if it happens to be you then I'm glad if you choose to take it on-board or not. I have reasonable grounds to call you narrow-minded as I was yet to see people point out the negatives of the Charity plans or oppose them.

Being childish and make accusations won't work, we'd have a better chance 'Hoping they'd change it' than causing a immature fuss.

I don't believe Habbo do encourage fansites anymore and when they did, VIP was unheard of. Their only contact with fansites is through the Official branch.

We haven't gone into statistics in the other threads at all, it's just all been trying to find Loopholes and ringing the BBC :S

Frankly I'd rather HabboxLive is scrapped than EVERYTHING on Habbox due to lack of funding, no one's going to be happy when you scrap a service or department but if it means the future of other departments then it's necessary. Shoutcast servers aren't particually cheap when you want 100s of listeners so I thought it would be a good example.

The 0.4% statistic is a very rough approximation of how many people on Habbo are on HabboxForum or ClubHabbo at the time, I believe it maybe a little pessimistik but that statistic would ly somewhere from 0.3% to 3%, 5% being an absolute peak.

Oh and I use Firefox's British Dictionary Spell Checker thanks very much, however you can still make typo's because you could spell a word wrong by accident and end up with another word which it wouldn't pick up as it would be a dictionary word, it isn't clever enough to tell me it's in entirely the wrong context.

[HotelUser]

It's virtually impossible to quote your post because of how the system works so sorry about this.

I aimed my post at the creator of the signature and if it happens to be you then I'm glad if you choose to take it on-board or not. I have reasonable grounds to call you narrow-minded as I was yet to see people point out the negatives of the Charity plans or oppose them.

The charity event is held every year, and typically raises a substantial amount of money. It's only natural to want to keep the charity this year, as Christmas is just around the corner. As far as calling me myself narrow-minded, I never once said anything about the BBC.

Being childish and make accusations won't work, we'd have a better chance 'Hoping they'd change it' than causing a immature fuss.

I didn't say to just through around accusations, though we do have to accuse them of being in the wrong.

I don't believe Habbo do encourage fansites anymore and when they did, VIP was unheard of. Their only contact with fansites is through the Official branch.

There have been times when staff pay notice to non official sites. I remember on several occasions Habbo Staff DJing on non-official fansites.

We haven't gone into statistics in the other threads at all, it's just all been trying to find Loopholes and ringing the BBC :S

It was stated a few times (and even by nvrspk) that Habbox costs quite a bit to run. Two servers, the vBlicense and the radio add up.

Frankly I'd rather HabboxLive is scrapped than EVERYTHING on Habbox due to lack of funding, no one's going to be happy when you scrap a service or department but if it means the future of other departments then it's necessary. Shoutcast servers aren't particually cheap when you want 100s of listeners so I thought it would be a good example.

If it was choosing between HxF and HxL then clearly the radio would be chosen. However this would be a very last resort, because HxL is a popular department.

The 0.4% statistic is a very rough approximation of how many people on Habbo are on HabboxForum or ClubHabbo at the time, I believe it maybe a little pessimistik but that statistic would ly somewhere from 0.3% to 3%, 5% being an absolute peak.

I still need some sort of proof. Otherwise I can't judge how practical your statistic is.

Oh and I use Firefox's British Dictionary Spell Checker thanks very much, however you can still make typo's because you could spell a word wrong by accident and end up with another word which it wouldn't pick up as it would be a dictionary word, it isn't clever enough to tell me it's in entirely the wrong context.

My suggestion was genuine thank you very much. I find it quite accurate, much better than Chrome's.

[jrh2002]

I gave you a -rep because you posted completely off topic and ruining my thread and as you can see once that happens everybody goes off topic. It was a poor post in this thread (would have been ok in correct thread/s and came over more as insulting everybody who had offered any ideas or help to the VIP situation because our ideas are worthless compared to yours. The big thread has so many ideas by people and alot never got replied to Kardan made some great points and it seemed his posts were ignored or overlooked but if every thread was quoted it would be 300 pages long by now. We all want the same goal just that we choose to go about it in different ways People may have not responded to your ideas but at least we never attacked them like your post seemed to.

If people from habbo see enough users are against their move either by posting ideas or having something in their sig then maybe that will help the cause. If we all keep quiet and only Sierk, NVR or Jin say anything they will think we dont care so the only people who are not impressed would be the few complaining. People protest in many ways and have got many things stopped or changed the people who sit there quietly get walked all over most of the time.

Habbox Live is pretty expensive to run but they are also very popular and put a great deal of work in Habbox will keep going without the loss of departments im sure but its a shame a good product in VIP is being forced out and an alternative fund raising idea must be thought up.

You say VIP was unheard of when habbo encouraged fansites is wrong because I set up VIP up before official sites were ever mentioned by habbo.

Anyway I am going away for a few weeks so this could be my last post until I return unless I make it on tomorrow


CAN A MOD/SMOD/ADMIN close this please?
It was meant to be a nice thread to help keep the feel good factor going :eusa_wall

[Yonder]

Im pretty sure hxlive doesnt rent a shoutcast server if im mistaken then sorry but ive always thought they always hosted it them selves on a dedicated server. Correct me if im wrong.

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[jrh2002]

Im pretty sure hxlive doesnt rent a shoutcast server if im mistaken then sorry but ive always thought they always hosted it them selves on a dedicated server. Correct me if im wrong.

Yes their shoutcast is dedicated so habbox has 3 servers

@Jordy

I -repped you because you posted totally off topic and attacking the ideas from lots of people

Not sure how this is a poor post for your revenger rep
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5290215&postcount=223
I am sure its an option being considered as well as all the others.

[nvrspk4]

Thread closed.