European Elections

[-:Undertaker:-]

People who are pro-EU never seem to want to debate the European Union, I was minus repped just before in a totally different thread regarding my signature, according to him/her the EU benefits this country. I'd like to see how it benefits, so please if you believe in the EU and believe the people of this country have got it wrong, along with the people of France, Ireland the Denmark then go ahead and say it.

On Question Time the other night the panel consisted of Nigel Farage (UKIP Leader), Caroline Flint (Labour Europe Minister), the Shadow Europe Minister and others. It does seem that people have no idea the impact of the European union on our lives, and when a woman in the audience stood up and asked why unelected officals in Brussels make over 75% of our laws (that statistic was the only one carried out of its kind, by the German Government which is pro-EU) she was appalauded, because in reality no one actually knows why and how we let the EU become this powerful.

I think on June 4th in the European Elections, when eurosceptics such as UKIP and the BNP make gains it will start to drag the issue of the EU to the surface in British politics, it does make me feel much better that in 2010 when a Conservative Government enters office they have pledged to restore national sovereignty and pull out of the social/law part of the European Union, let us hope that they stick to that promise.

[eight]

BNP Defiently!

I want to keep Britain british and kick out all these immigrants taking our jobs! :@

Take us out of EU and become independant!

BNP FTW!!! WOO :eusa_clap:eusa_danc

[Fez]

BNP Defiently!

I want to keep Britain british and kick out all these immigrants taking our jobs! :@

Take us out of EU and become independant!

BNP FTW!!! WOO :eusa_clap:eusa_danc

The immigrants aren't taking our jobs, our government is simply sucking up to the EU and letting them take them right under our noses. It's not the immigrants' fault.

Taking us out of the EU is fair.

BNP can rot in hell for all I care.

[ifuseekamy]

BNP Defiently!

I want to keep Britain british and kick out all these immigrants taking our jobs! :@

Take us out of EU and become independant!

BNP FTW!!! WOO :eusa_clap:eusa_danc

I found a video of a BNP rally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFG2P-toC6k

[GommeInc]

People who are pro-EU never seem to want to debate the European Union, I was minus repped just before in a totally different thread regarding my signature, according to him/her the EU benefits this country. I'd like to see how it benefits, so please if you believe in the EU and believe the people of this country have got it wrong, along with the people of France, Ireland the Denmark then go ahead and say it.

On Question Time the other night the panel consisted of Nigel Farage (UKIP Leader), Caroline Flint (Labour Europe Minister), the Shadow Europe Minister and others. It does seem that people have no idea the impact of the European union on our lives, and when a woman in the audience stood up and asked why unelected officals in Brussels make over 75% of our laws (that statistic was the only one carried out of its kind, by the German Government which is pro-EU) she was appalauded, because in reality no one actually knows why and how we let the EU become this powerful.

I think on June 4th in the European Elections, when eurosceptics such as UKIP and the BNP make gains it will start to drag the issue of the EU to the surface in British politics, it does make me feel much better that in 2010 when a Conservative Government enters office they have pledged to restore national sovereignty and pull out of the social/law part of the European Union, let us hope that they stick to that promise.

I also question these laws.The one that baffles me (and the only one I sort of know about), are the fishing regulations. The UK has its own waters, yet the EU controls how british fishermen should fish in them. It sounds like the french fishermen don't like the EU either, judging by the protest they did by blocking the Dover/Calais ferry lanes(?).

Is the EU really just Navi Germany under a new name? I'm mildly fascinated, of course, with less Jew bashing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I also question these laws.The one that baffles me (and the only one I sort of know about), are the fishing regulations. The UK has its own waters, yet the EU controls how british fishermen should fish in them. It sounds like the french fishermen don't like the EU either, judging by the protest they did by blocking the Dover/Calais ferry lanes(?).

Is the EU really just Navi Germany under a new name? I'm mildly fascinated, of course, with less Jew bashing.

Oh i'd say the EU isn't even Nazi Germany under a new name, i'd say it is seriously very similar to the Soviet Union, both were never elected, the commission has all the control with the Parliament having limited powers and is dominated by certain countrys, the EU being dominated by the French and Germans but mostly the Germans and the Soviet Union being dominated by Russia.

At last people are now starting to notice and question, why are we being governed by unelected foreigners who have not got our best interests at heart?

You are indeed fully correct on the EU fishing policy, which fisherman from both sides of the Channel in agreement that the policy is not in their best interests. The same with the common agricultural policy, when the United Kingdom signed up to the common agriculture policy farms went bust overnight as they simply could not compete with cheaper varietys from over Europe.

The European Union simply will not take No for an answer, and if you challenge a pro-EU person on we should have a say over the EU/Lisbon Treaty the common retort is "people aren't correctly informed enough to make a choice" - that is the biggest insult any electorate could recieve, and especially when the Labour Minister for Europe, Caroline Flint admitted she hadn't read the Lisbon Treaty herself!

The French said NO
The Dutch said NO
The Irish said NO
The rest of Europe is being prevented from say NO

As always, the European Union will not stop until we give the 'correct answer'.

[GommeInc]

Well I don't know who to vote for, but I'm going to vote for the party(s) who aren't pro-EU, not because I don't like the EU... I just see no purpose and no-where seems to mention the pros of being in the EU. As far as I see it, it strips countries of their individual beliefs and needs, aswell as their history and power.

Good to see the dutch against it, are they thinking of pulling out too? They've already got alot of respect from me anyway, they could always try for more respect

I'd imagine europe would be a better place without the EU, they don't have to waste millions on something that technically doesn't really exist for the greater good.

EDIT: If people aren't being "correctly informed" then correctly inform them, sheesh. No wonder they're not being taken seriously and have a negative few.

[Heart Break Kid]

if i was old enuf id vote for the jury team
as my mams in it

[-:Undertaker:-]

According to AbsurdEU which is linked from the UKIP website, the following are facts;

• There are EU regulations on the green-ness of the person on the pedestrian crossing lights.
• There are three seperate EU directives on the loudness of lawnmowers.
• There are EU laws on what legally constitutes an island- anything with a bridge to it is not an island, nor is it an island if it is less than 1km from the mainland, it is not an island if it has less than 50 permanent residents or if it contains an EU capital city.
• Not an April fools I can assure you. A recent report commissioned by the European Union aims to take control of OUR Naval bases. Another misplaced military ambition from Brussels.
• Bristol market trader Tim Down, 53, was forced to bin 5000 kiwi fruits worth £1,000 because they were 1mm smaller than EU rules allow. He was forbidden from even giving away the perfectly healthy fruit.

Let the question be asked; is that really worth £40 million per day?

[alexxxxx]

According to AbsurdEU which is linked from the UKIP website, the following are facts;

• There are EU regulations on the green-ness of the person on the pedestrian crossing lights.

And? Seems fine to me. Some people are colourblind or have issues with their site which could mean that differences in the colour of the light is potentially dangerous.

• There are three seperate EU directives on the loudness of lawnmowers.

Consumer protection/safety/noise pollution.

• There are EU laws on what legally constitutes an island- anything with a bridge to it is not an island, nor is it an island if it is less than 1km from the mainland, it is not an island if it has less than 50 permanent residents or if it contains an EU capital city.

It's more of a clafication than a law and I assume this is to prevent delivery firms or postal firms charging extra for an 'island service' to people who live on bridged islands or governments not providing services to those living on islands.

• Not an April fools I can assure you. A recent report commissioned by the European Union aims to take control of OUR Naval bases. Another misplaced military ambition from Brussels.

It won't happen.

• Bristol market trader Tim Down, 53, was forced to bin 5000 kiwi fruits worth £1,000 because they were 1mm smaller than EU rules allow. He was forbidden from even giving away the perfectly healthy fruit.

It is rather stupid, yes. But I guess the idea is that they wish to standardise a kiwi fruit so consumers can expect the same thing.

'Un-AbsurdEU' laws include unrestricted movement of goods and services, not that absurd of a law in my opinion. Maybe the Data Protection Directive counts as a fairly decent law. 2 million people in the UK rely on the free movement of labour for their jobs. I know people who need to travel the whole of the union for their jobs, bye-bye to foreign companies based here that need that freedom of goods and labour, bye-bye to those jobs, bye-bye to further economic prosperity. Once the trade barriers have gone up, goodbye to our largest export and import partner. We'd have to take back millions who have moved abroad to spain and france (who are generally of the older generation) who would not be eligible to live there. We might need visas to go on holiday. In my opinion it would be disasterous. We've experienced fairly decent economic growth over the last 25 years, why risk that? I think it would be absurd to leave.

Let the question be asked; is that really worth £40 million per day?

Yes. Yes it is. Businesses which export would say so too. And remember alot of that money comes back to us and some of the money spent would have to spent on similiar nationawide schemes.

And seeing as from http://www.politics-europe.co.uk/, we pay €100 each a year. Less than council tax.