UKIP Exposed!

[-:Undertaker:-]

UKIP are scum mate. They can't fill out any purpose in the Eu parliament and they waste taxpayers money by not turning up. Kilroy Silk was in I'm a celeb get me out of here when he should have been in brussels working. UKIP are failed tories. This is the only thing i think the BNP get right.

They are scum yet they are one of the only parties in the European Parliament who are protecting British interests and sovereignty? - Take a look at the Liberal Democrats and Labour and their expenense claims and then you tell me who is the worst.

Kilroy Silk is now gone and those MEP's who orginally were up to no good Nigel Farage dismissed from the party instantly. As usual when the left start losing ground you dismiss parties such as UKIP as scum and racists, when they are simply not.

[alexxxxx]

They are scum yet they are one of the only parties in the European Parliament who are protecting British interests and sovereignty? - Take a look at the Liberal Democrats and Labour and their expenense claims and then you tell me who is the worst.

Kilroy Silk is now gone and those MEP's who orginally were up to no good Nigel Farage dismissed from the party instantly. As usual when the left start losing ground you dismiss parties such as UKIP as scum and racists, when they are simply not.

UKIP can't do anything about britain's membership of the EU in the parliament. Misleading voters in my opinion. They say 'no the eu, no to this, no to that' but infact it doesn't do anything and can't do anything about it. Looks like mr cameron has had a bit of a problem with his expenses atm (according to the mail, so it's probably not really that true, as it isn't reported anywhere else.). Everyone's taken advantage of the situation. Lib Dems have had the least prolific expenses claims and are now 2nd in the polls. Cakes and biscuits aren't anywhere near as bad as mortgages that have already been paid off. Or a church donation.

Liberal Democrats will gain ALOT more support in the next election. It will probably end up being Conservative > Lib Dem > UKIP > Labour in EU elections. The Problem with UKIP is that they are a one-issue party, if they had some proper policies with a long term goal maybe they would been seen as a more serious party.

[Catzsy]

Winston Churchill in that speech is not calling for a european superstate, he is calling for a european family to avoid future wars, as europe had a history of wars between the French, Spanish and British colonial empires. Winston Churchill would never of wanted european-unelected dominance from Brussels as that was exactly what he was fighting and what millions gave their lives for.

Jordy is correct on the Churchill issue, two of our greatest Prime Ministers, Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher were both for a united europe in which trade and relations were close, but not being dominated by europe. We do not need to be governed by Europe to be part of Europe.

As for the thread starter, UKIP participate fully in the European Parliament and defend British interests to the best of their ability, they are not as bad as the Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats when it comes to fraud as the last time UKIP had corruption issues was a few years ago, and Nigel Farage instantly dismissed those members from UKIP. There was one member who he couldn't dismiss as due to Proportional Representation in the European Parliament, you vote for the actual candidate and there was no way Farage and UKIP could call another election.

But how can you say we have 'european-unelected dominance from Brussels '

Isn't just rhetoric without any specific examples? I personally have nothing against UKIP. They have their beliefs and stand by them. They are trying to make a difference as they see it. It is a genuine belief and a genuine party.
What I can't comprehend is the sweeping statements made without any real substance to back that up. The BNP is a different matter. They have a
'suited and booted' public image which masks a quite sinister hidden agenda IMO.

[-:Undertaker:-]

UKIP can't do anything about britain's membership of the EU in the parliament. Misleading voters in my opinion. They say 'no the eu, no to this, no to that' but infact it doesn't do anything and can't do anything about it. Looks like mr cameron has had a bit of a problem with his expenses atm (according to the mail, so it's probably not really that true, as it isn't reported anywhere else.). Everyone's taken advantage of the situation. Lib Dems have had the least prolific expenses claims and are now 2nd in the polls. Cakes and biscuits aren't anywhere near as bad as mortgages that have already been paid off. Or a church donation.

Liberal Democrats will gain ALOT more support in the next election. It will probably end up being Conservative > Lib Dem > UKIP > Labour in EU elections. The Problem with UKIP is that they are a one-issue party, if they had some proper policies with a long term goal maybe they would been seen as a more serious party.

UKIP haven't stated they have the power to withdraw from the European Union, they are saying a vote for UKIP is a no to the European Union. If we are talking about misleading how about this; In the 2005 General Election Labour promised to hold a referendum on EU reformal yet have refused us this right as they know they will lose because people do not want to live in a European superstate.

Mr Cameron had the wisteria issue and I think every MP's expenses should be looked into and if they are found to have done wrong they should be dismissed from parliament by the Queen and should then go to court and face the same consquences that normal people do, I couldn't give a damn whether its the Prime Minister, Leader of the Opposition, Labour, UKIP, Conservative, Liberal Democrat - if they have committed blatent fraud then they should go down.

UKIP are more than a one issue party, granted the European Union is at the heart of its policies but that is what appeals to its voters, particulary as it is seen as the Thatcher Government reborn. UKIP stand basically for what Margaret Thatcher stood for, hence when I read UKIP's policies I decided they suit my beliefs far better than the present Conservative Party does, and it is the same with many slightly disillusioned tory supporters.

Liberal Democrats have apparently suffered worse in the expenses fiasco, I do hope the election plays out as; Conservatives > UKIP > Liberal Democrat > Labour as it will mean at the General Election Labour and the Liberal Democrats are both weak, meaning that it will prevent a possible hung parliament.

Then again, I like the possible idea that if a hung parliament did occur, the Liberal Democrats would force Labour or the Conservatives to accept Proportional Representation, and if it was a fair PR system then partys such as UKIP would then gain seats at national elections.

But how can you say we have 'european-unelected dominance from Brussels '

Isn't just rhetoric without any specific examples? I personally have nothing against UKIP. They have their beliefs and stand by them. They are trying to make a difference as they see it. It is a genuine belief and a genuine party.
What I can't comprehend is the sweeping statements made without any real substance to back that up. The BNP is a different matter. They have a
'suited and booted' public image which masks a quite sinister hidden agenda IMO.

The real policies that come out of the European Union are made up by the Commission, the parliament is just to pass them through and the commision nearly always gets its regulations/policies/laws through the European Parliament. It is like the Soviet Union, it had a parliament yet it wasn't democratic.

Which sweeping statements?, you'd think half the stuff which comes out of Brussels is not true, but it is. You have laws on the colour of traffic lights right up to the effort to form a European military, all which the people of Europe do not once, hence why the only three countries which were given a vote said NO.

As for suited and booted you are only sterotyping like that as I did before I knew UKIP properly, as they are a small party compared to the big three. Farage seems a nice man and he is strong on his beliefs and idealogy - something which many politicians don't have anymore.

[alexxxxx]

UKIP haven't stated they have the power to withdraw from the European Union, they are saying a vote for UKIP is a no to the European Union. If we are talking about misleading how about this; In the 2005 General Election Labour promised to hold a referendum on EU reformal yet have refused us this right as they know they will lose because people do not want to live in a European superstate.

Yeah, but I think they've implied it so. Labour promised a vote on the constitution, which was then re-drafted after failure to please voters in France and now has passed here as a new treaty, which is not completely the same thing.

Mr Cameron had the wisteria issue and I think every MP's expenses should be looked into and if they are found to have done wrong they should be dismissed from parliament by the Queen and should then go to court and face the same consquences that normal people do, I couldn't give a damn whether its the Prime Minister, Leader of the Opposition, Labour, UKIP, Conservative, Liberal Democrat - if they have committed blatent fraud then they should go down.

The thing is that I don't think many people don't understand in this debate is that they haven't done anything wrong whatsoever. Their expenses claims were allowed by the system. The problem is with the system and not the MPs. If you were allowed to pay for your furniture in your new flat in London, you would take it wouldn't you? Most people would.

UKIP are more than a one issue party, granted the European Union is at the heart of its policies but that is what appeals to its voters, particulary as it is seen as the Thatcher Government reborn. UKIP stand basically for what Margaret Thatcher stood for, hence when I read UKIP's policies I decided they suit my beliefs far better than the present Conservative Party does, and it is the same with many slightly disillusioned tory supporters.

UKIPs policies are for old romantics who are resisting the challenges of today. They would like to see a British dominance of the world like in the 19th century that just isn't possible today with the muscle of others in the world present today.

Liberal Democrats have apparently suffered worse in the expenses fiasco, I do hope the election plays out as; Conservatives > UKIP > Liberal Democrat > Labour as it will mean at the General Election Labour and the Liberal Democrats are both weak, meaning that it will prevent a possible hung parliament.

Show me some examples... Because I've failed to see many big stories featuring LibDems, but I have with tories and labour... UKIP won't get as many votes as LibDem because they are an awful party and don't provide any solutions on a local or regional level.

Then again, I like the possible idea that if a hung parliament did occur, the Liberal Democrats would force Labour or the Conservatives to accept Proportional Representation, and if it was a fair PR system then partys such as UKIP would then gain seats at national elections.

With a close election, the Lib Dems will ultimately control. It its 40/40/20% wise. Lib Dems want PR because it will help them in the end in parliament.

The real policies that come out of the European Union are made up by the Commission, the parliament is just to pass them through and the commision nearly always gets its regulations/policies/laws through the European Parliament. It is like the Soviet Union, it had a parliament yet it wasn't democratic.

The comission is appointed by the governments of all 27 nations. Most, if not all, nations are pro-EU and will therefore send a pro-EU commisioner. The EU Parliament has to 'swear in' these commisioners and can fire them also. Although it's unlikely.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yeah, but I think they've implied it so. Labour promised a vote on the constitution, which was then re-drafted after failure to please voters in France and now has passed here as a new treaty, which is not completely the same thing.

Numerous bodies and even EU supporters across the European Union have stated the Libson Treaty is the constitution but just re-written in a less imposing manner.

The thing is that I don't think many people don't understand in this debate is that they haven't done anything wrong whatsoever. Their expenses claims were allowed by the system. The problem is with the system and not the MPs. If you were allowed to pay for your furniture in your new flat in London, you would take it wouldn't you? Most people would.

It was within the rules, correct. However fixing mortage payments and claming for duck houses and spending hundreds on a garden is not acceptable. The green book as it was known stated sensible requirements can be allowed, and i'm sure the above and many other expenses claims are not required as an MP. I admire the Liberal Democrat MP, I think its the one who is on Question Time a lot and she doesn't have a flat as she always saw it as a waste of money.

UKIPs policies are for old romantics who are resisting the challenges of today. They would like to see a British dominance of the world like in the 19th century that just isn't possible today with the muscle of others in the world present today.

It was policies the same as UKIP's that pulled this country from the brink of utter complete collapse in the 1970's/1980's. If you want another failed/failing socialist state then please do move to a socialist state, as the people of this country do not want another repeat of 1970's Britain or the formation of a state similar to the Soviet Union/North Korea/Peoples Republic of China. The socialist brand always states we need 'new solutions for new challenges' - well socialism isn't new, it was a fairytale which died in the twentieth century along with the millions who starved to death with it.

Show me some examples... Because I've failed to see many big stories featuring LibDems, but I have with tories and labour... UKIP won't get as many votes as LibDem because they are an awful party and don't provide any solutions on a local or regional level.

Just telling you what I heard on Sky News from a political commentator who said out of the main three parties, the Liberal Democrats had come worst off despite more media attention on the Conservatives/Labour. The Liberal Democrats are an awful party, socialism with a smile. The polls are showing UKIP ahead of the Liberal Democrats so we'll have to see what happens.

With a close election, the Lib Dems will ultimately control. It its 40/40/20% wise. Lib Dems want PR because it will help them in the end in parliament.

I want Proportional Representation as long as it is implemented fairly, it will greatly help partys such as UKIP and maybe it will force the main parties to develop some real opinions instead of playing hide and seek with policies.

The comission is appointed by the governments of all 27 nations. Most, if not all, nations are pro-EU and will therefore send a pro-EU commisioner. The EU Parliament has to 'swear in' these commisioners and can fire them also. Although it's unlikely.

Then it is not democratic, it doesn't reflect the view of the people of Europe. You got it the wrong way around, the nations, the people are anti-EU and the governments are pro-EU, hence why when the people of Europe were actually given the chance to vote on the EU reform proposals the EU got a NO from France, a NO from Denmark and a NO from Republic of Ireland, but it simply will not accept NO for an answer.

[Hushie]

Rather have a corrupt government than a racist one.

[Jordy]

UKIP are scum mate. They can't fill out any purpose in the Eu parliament and they waste taxpayers money by not turning up. Kilroy Silk was in I'm a celeb get me out of here when he should have been in brussels working. UKIP are failed tories. This is the only thing i think the BNP get right.

Robert Kilroy-Silk is an independent now and has been quite a while. He fell out with UKIP.

How the hell are they a waste of taxpayers money more than anyone else? At the end of the day whether it's a UKIP, Labour, Tory or Lib Dem MEP the same amount of money is going to be spent. Hopefully voting UKIP will ensure in the future that the money isn't being wasted. The money may as well be wasted on a UKIP MEP who will try to bring the 'wasting' to an end rather than signing away power.

[alexxxxx]

How the hell are they a waste of taxpayers money more than anyone else? At the end of the day whether it's a UKIP, Labour, Tory or Lib Dem MEP the same amount of money is going to be spent. Hopefully voting UKIP will ensure in the future that the money isn't being wasted. The money may as well be wasted on a UKIP MEP who will try to bring the 'wasting' to an end rather than signing away power.

UKIP are as bad as the rest: http://www.zimbio.com/UK+Political+G...efore+June+4th

UKIP don't hold enough power to pull us out of the EU and don't want to participate. Don't kid yourself that UKIP are whiter than white cause it isn't true. They lost 2 of their MEPs due to fraud charges, Kilroy left (though he is still in the parliament, so he was still elected as a UKIP member). An average of 60% attendance is AWFUL. My college thinks anything less than 96% is unacceptable, 60% would definately get you kicked out. They aren't there to help your interests, they are there to pick up their expenses cheques and leave. If the EU Parliament's expenses were leaked, it would expose everyone, like now. There aren't any completely clean parties but let's remember that not everyone claims thousands upon thousands either.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Robert Kilroy-Silk is an independent now and has been quite a while. He fell out with UKIP.

How the hell are they a waste of taxpayers money more than anyone else? At the end of the day whether it's a UKIP, Labour, Tory or Lib Dem MEP the same amount of money is going to be spent. Hopefully voting UKIP will ensure in the future that the money isn't being wasted. The money may as well be wasted on a UKIP MEP who will try to bring the 'wasting' to an end rather than signing away power.

Exactly, i'd rather have UKIP members recieving the money rather than some Labour/Conservative/Liberal Democrat MP who is sitting in Brussels signing away our sovereign power. As Nigel Farage said on Question Time, he has to balance being at home and at Brussels, unlike other MEP's from other parties who sit in Brussels and sign in to recieve their cheques.

UKIP are as bad as the rest: http://www.zimbio.com/UK+Political+G...efore+June+4th

UKIP don't hold enough power to pull us out of the EU and don't want to participate. Don't kid yourself that UKIP are whiter than white cause it isn't true. They lost 2 of their MEPs due to fraud charges, Kilroy left (though he is still in the parliament, so he was still elected as a UKIP member). An average of 60% attendance is AWFUL. My college thinks anything less than 96% is unacceptable, 60% would definately get you kicked out. They aren't there to help your interests, they are there to pick up their expenses cheques and leave. If the EU Parliament's expenses were leaked, it would expose everyone, like now. There aren't any completely clean parties but let's remember that not everyone claims thousands upon thousands either.

UKIP aren't a party like the others which sit in Brussels signing in everday to recieve fat pay cheques, so yes their attendance will be less than other parties. The fact is UKIP are there to help our interests, they defend Britains interests at Brussels unlike the other partys. Anyone who is standing up to the European Union is helping this countrys interests.