Jack Straw admits oil deal within Lockerbie release

[UKIP]

I think you've taken what i've said too far. Britain does have better morals than a lot of countries in respect to human rights, racism, female rights, gay rights - Social rights are pretty high in this country, not perfect, but good. I was pointing out that our past isn't very moral at all and that you can't say that our past is moral, because in many eyes, it isn't. We can't rely on countries (especially muslim/middle eastern) giving us much respect on our current high standing social morals, as they still live in the past about the crusades, live in a completely different culture dictated by a book, plus with the 'War on [s]oil[/s] terror,' giving money and guns to evil militia in Sudan and other current issues, they don't see us as clean, because it's not true. Most rogue states couldn't give a toss about our social morality because their leaders are reluctant to change, for example, the Afghan governments atrocious new bill on men being able to deny wives food if they deny them sex, therefore i see no reason why we can't let some 'maybe not actually a' terrorist die in libya in return for some oil contracts, which ultimately help us, because in the eyes of alot of the world, we're hardly clean. I'm sure the victims' families will be upset with his release, but in the end he is dying and won't be living much longer. We don't need him to become a martyr. If developing countries need good countries to follow, look at countries like Sweden and Norway, as they have the same level of rights for people socially yet they don't feel the need to invade others for sketchy reasons.

I love Britain, but we can't be in denial about some of our shortcomings. I'd love it to change but it's just not in our culture.

Our past is moral, maybe not in todays world but back then it was moral and especially when compared to that of Europe and the Empire/s which were based their. The only real blot on our history I feel very strongly about is the invasion of Iraq which was illegal and if theres any justice in this world, Tony Bliar, George W Bush & the rest of the New Liebour cabinet should face a trial over it. Once this government if out of office and if the next government has a backbone and is prepared to unravel the police state that has been formed over the past decade, along with restoring moral international relations then maybe, just maybe we'll be on the right footing again.

[Jordy]

I think you've taken what i've said too far. Britain does have better morals than a lot of countries in respect to human rights, racism, female rights, gay rights - Social rights are pretty high in this country, not perfect, but good. I was pointing out that our past isn't very moral at all and that you can't say that our past is moral, because in many eyes, it isn't. We can't rely on countries (especially muslim/middle eastern) giving us much respect on our current high standing social morals, as they still live in the past about the crusades, live in a completely different culture dictated by a book, plus with the 'War on [s]oil[/s] terror,' giving money and guns to evil militia in Sudan and other current issues, they don't see us as clean, because it's not true. Most rogue states couldn't give a toss about our social morality because their leaders are reluctant to change, for example, the Afghan governments atrocious new bill on men being able to deny wives food if they deny them sex, therefore i see no reason why we can't let some 'maybe not actually a' terrorist die in libya in return for some oil contracts, which ultimately help us, because in the eyes of alot of the world, we're hardly clean. I'm sure the victims' families will be upset with his release, but in the end he is dying and won't be living much longer. We don't need him to become a martyr. If developing countries need good countries to follow, look at countries like Sweden and Norway, as they have the same level of rights for people socially yet they don't feel the need to invade others for sketchy reasons.

I love Britain, but we can't be in denial about some of our shortcomings. I'd love it to change but it's just not in our culture.

I am glad to hear you like Britain it's quite reassuring.

I think our past has definitely influenced are world for the better rather than for the worse although I do see your point about other countries hating Britain and the West in general. Thanks to the British Empire it's made great nations like Canada, USA and Australia and developed the ideology of capitalism. The USA, UK and France built the great nations of Germany and Japan after the War and in turn this has made the world so much better due to the influence we've all had and technology it's brought to the world. The British Empire made the world a better place overall in my opinion and although Sweden and Norway may have slightly better morals due to their "neutral" stances in the past, but what have they contributed to the world? Ikea?

[Feep]

Good, if oil means money and money = no ressesion then its all good.

[Suspective]

I'm in support of this deal. He is going to die anyway soon, if he is terminally ill. I'm not condoning him but if we need the oil, we need it!

Also, UKIP of course there going to welcome him back like that, they haven't seen him for ages. Wouldn't you welcome your family back if they'd just come out of a foreign prison and you hadn't seen them for eight years.

Anyway, I'm not to sure if this oil will be delivered following the latest fall-out with them regarding compensation for IRA Victims!

[Black_Apalachi]

Oh so oil is more important than the hundreds of his victims, my bad.

You make it sound like all the victims will be brought back to life if he's kept in prison .

Before I was unhappy about his release but now I realise the reasons behind it, it makes so much more sense. Much more than keeping him behind bars rather than (I'm guessing) doing a favour for our fuel prices - all through nothing but spite.

[UKIP]

I'm in support of this deal. He is going to die anyway soon, if he is terminally ill. I'm not condoning him but if we need the oil, we need it!

Also, UKIP of course there going to welcome him back like that, they haven't seen him for ages. Wouldn't you welcome your family back if they'd just come out of a foreign prison and you hadn't seen them for eight years.

Anyway, I'm not to sure if this oil will be delivered following the latest fall-out with them regarding compensation for IRA Victims!

..not if he'd of murdered hundreds of people in a terrorist attack I wouldn't.

You make it sound like all the victims will be brought back to life if he's kept in prison .

Before I was unhappy about his release but now I realise the reasons behind it, it makes so much more sense. Much more than keeping him behind bars rather than (I'm guessing) doing a favour for our fuel prices - all through nothing but spite.

Otherwise known as justice.

[Black_Apalachi]

..not if he'd of murdered hundreds of people in a terrorist attack I wouldn't.



Otherwise known as justice.

Surely gaining something from them is more of a justice?!

[UKIP]

Surely gaining something from them is more of a justice?!

No, they have traded in justice for a dirty oil deal.

There is a difference between justice and a dirty deal.