Do You Think Immigrants Should Serve?

[-:Undertaker:-]

dont take this discussion off topic with your slanted, angry opinions. this debate is about immigration not the European Union whos regulations have been linked to you but you dont read for some reason.

As for service in the armed forces i dont get it. is it such a good idea when these people might not speak english, are probably malnourished and maybe scarred from acts of extreme violence from their homelands to begin with?

The European Union has everything to do with it, because it has removed the power of the United Kingdom to patrol its own borders with its human rights acts, and its open border federal policy. I know European Union polciies very well thanks, and I don't need a socialist/EU/Labour site to tell me how great the European Union is, many of which I have bene linked to in the past, once someone even linked me to a pro-Trotsky/Lenin site to prove a point! - thats like me linking you to the UKIP/Conservative site and telling you that proves they are right no matter what.

I could throw links around all night, from the Daily Mail, UKIP, Conservatives, Daily Telegraph - but that isn't a discussion.

[alexxxxx]

Daily Mail - Rag
Telegraph - Mail with a reading age
UKIP - Useless closet racists.
Conservatives - Not as useless as UKIP, but everyone can see through Cameron.

The European Union has nothing to do with it.

Immigrants come to the UK looking for a job. Without papers it's impossible to get benefits. They come off the lorries, call up someone and get picked up and taken to wherever and then get a low-paid (probably less than minimum-wage) job. They don't get a free car/house/£1000 Voucher at Harrods/Mobile.

Likewise, illegal immigrants often stop in Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain and other european nations. Italy has stepped up it's med border control and Malta is under pressure to do the same. Spain's border control at the south is strictly monitored. But these illegals risk life and limb to get a (in their eyes) well paid job.

and to answer the OP's question, no, it's a stupid idea. We should be scaling back costs in all public sectors, not increasing them.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Daily Mail - Rag
Telegraph - Mail with a reading age
UKIP - Useless closet racists.
Conservatives - Not as useless as UKIP, but everyone can see through Cameron.

The European Union has nothing to do with it.

Immigrants come to the UK looking for a job. Without papers it's impossible to get benefits. They come off the lorries, call up someone and get picked up and taken to wherever and then get a low-paid (probably less than minimum-wage) job. They don't get a free car/house/£1000 Voucher at Harrods/Mobile.

Likewise, illegal immigrants often stop in Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain and other european nations. Italy has stepped up it's med border control and Malta is under pressure to do the same. Spain's border control at the south is strictly monitored. But these illegals risk life and limb to get a (in their eyes) well paid job.

and to answer the OP's question, no, it's a stupid idea. We should be scaling back costs in all public sectors, not increasing them.

Congratulations, by calling UKIP racist you've just made yourself appear a complete and utter fool, because like Labour & the left (who at times you try to distance yourself from) you have just thrown a comment on the board which is degrading and totally untrue, just because somebody doesn't have the same political views as yourself.

It is no wonder everyone treads carefully now when it comes to immigration, because anyone who calls for restrictions or a cap on immigration is automatically called racist or homophobic by the loony left, in a way this country deserves to go down the pan because people like you just do not value democracy in anyway at all, anything that opposes you is racist, xenophobic or homophobic, anything that gives the people a say is not allowed - just makes me depair of this country and the police state that is being brought in, totally supported by the likes of you to stop the evil conservatives (who are all racist, homophobic, xenophobic and other other name you can dish out under the sun) sorting this country out and giving the people what they want.

Italy attempted and did (by ignoring the European Union) sort out the issue of Roma people who were illegal to the country, but the European Union called for the Italian government to stop because it was apparentley discriminating against the Roma people - just proves you cant win.

[LuketheDuke]

wow well done by referencing italy in all this, probably the only country on the planet that wouldnt turn on Burlesconi whilst he cheated on his wife with multiple 18year old girls.

the difference between the telegraph and law is that one counts for something whilst the other is only a nudge in a direction of uncertainty. It does annoy everyone when you dont look at statute fact.

im willing to transverse my political opinion even if it goes against my socialist ideology, Undertaker you need to reach middle grounds otherwise discussion cant be developed.

[ashyboy999]

immigrants shouldnt be coming in now taking jobs, there is going to be 3 million qualified workers in this country unemployed, about to lose their home and everything they own and our government is more concerned of the immigrants and them getting the jobs so many british people need.

we are seeing a change in the UK people are sick to death of being second class because they were born here and it is the complete opposite to how it is supposed to be. immgrants know theyd be favoured over the british people and labour is now learning that if they dont stop stabbing us in the back we'll elect this fascist parties like the BNP because at least they listen to us. the only people who oppose them are those that are immigrants or not british.

british people do oppose the BNP too but you see they are confused they think that protecting our borders from alqueda terrorists, deporting ILLEGAL immigrants and bringing back our independance is racist and facist. how these people react to the BNP just shows thanks to multiculture this country can be a very dangerous place to live in. with people willing to murder to stay in this country wether right or wrong. is that the kind of country we should be living in?? have no opinion and say because it might offend immigrants and if it does be afraid because THEY can turn deadly???

[5,5]

I think most people move countries to get more possibilities to fulfill their lives, not to sell their lives for x amount of years.

[Black_Apalachi]

Aren't many of the ones coming over from France after British passports?

[Ardemax]

UKIP aren't racist, just have different views?

They have different views that are racist kthnx

[VirtualG]

Erm, no. They should have the choice.

Explanaation please, otherwise your just getting up post counts...

I think it's a stupid idea, not just original post but posts within this thread, not all, just some. I think some people are quick to forget that many British people immigrate too and 'take' jobs from the natives. It's ludicrous to suggest they should have to serve or we shouldn't accept immigrants. Just because you live your comfortable life you forget there are millions of people out there with more than valid reasons to want to escape to Britain and other European nations where they're treated as equal, at least by the authorities. We should be proud we people less fortunate than ourselves the chance to start afresh rather than having such negative mentalities.

Dont call people stupid, stupid. And sorry, haven't we already pointed out that british people (although you keep forgetting this isn't just about Britain, it also includes Canada, US, AUSTRALIA, New Zealand, France, etc...) ? And I have pointed out also that the same rules should apply to you, unless you have an assured job, eg, you are moving to Canada because a business has offered you a job, your moving for the job so your fine. And yes, people do you want to escape to Britain and other European Countries (thanks forgetting Australia and New Zealand again, the two countries the thread was based around, not to mention the others listed above) But, from what I know and have experienced, aren't these immigrants comming in and taking jobs or becomming jobless themselves, causing slums and disrespecting the country, not to mention cost billions of tax payers money each year in border control, caring for them in a off shore prison, etc...

I don't accept any of it, you and Labour can tell me immigration is controlled but that still doesn't explain how and why we have hundreds of thousands of people here who we dont even know are here, along with the fact why many immigrants travel across the world and a sea, just to come here. ..why? - benefits, its as simple as that.

How can you say that theres soo many immigrants and then say you dont know they are here? Kinda contridicts itself, doesn't it? Although I get what you mean and you are right. Thats why immigrants are comming to our countries, to take advantage of and abuse.

If they join armed forces then they are getting education, job experience, money, housing, food, a sense of the nation, learning the language (and becoming more fluent) and respecting their country. It's not just the immediate immigrants, it's their next generation and offspring as they would only tell their cildren the good things about the horrible country they escaped from and the kids would start thinking, "why are we stuck in this crap hole then?" and start disrespecting it. It happens in every single "white" country I've been to.

[J0SH]

No, just because they want to come to another country to improve their lives doesn't mean they should serve in the British army.

Plus, if any of these countries are similar to Turkey, you get forced to do the army for 2 years anyway. Training etc. My brother in law had to leave London to do it for 2 years a few years back. It's really stupid.