EU bans crucifixes in Italian classrooms

[Alkaz]

What on earth have we let ourself into.

[alexxxxx]

Apoligies for a double post (could you merge) - but here is proof that they are the same. The European Court of Human Rights was established under the European Convention of Human Rights, that in turn is adopted by the Council of Europe which in turn works with the European Union on joint-projects (meaning isn't an inch of difference between them both) and both are working towards 'European integration', oh and also here is the flag of the Council of Europe which looks strangely identical to the EU flag to me?

Flag of the Council of Europe

Flag of the European Union

They are completely different institutions! With different people running them! The council of Europe was formed in 1949 just after WW2 of which the UK was a founder member. :eusa_wall This convention of human rights was signed in 1950. ALONG time before the EU came about. The flag is irrelevant as they both symbolise europe. Just because the BNP use the flag in their logo doesn't mean that it's somehow related to the queen or the government.

[-:Undertaker:-]

the council of europe did this? or did someone else?

They are all linked, basically the same. It is like saying the foreign office here is nothing to do with the government, it clearly is. Just because its got a different name doesn't mean its something totally different. Be prepared for more great EU interference, coming soon to a 'country' near you!

It is disgraceful.

They are completely different institutions! With different people running them! The council of Europe was formed in 1949 just after WW2 of which the UK was a founder member. :eusa_wall This convention of human rights was signed in 1950. ALONG time before the EU came about. The flag is irrelevant as they both symbolise europe. Just because the BNP use the flag in their logo doesn't mean that it's somehow related to the queen or the government.

I have just shown how they were all set up by eachother, its like you telling me that the foreign office and the ministry of justice have no link what so ever, both are under one government but have different names. The EU is split into different sections, all under the Union and will continue to become part of the Union.

All of Europe under one flag, just what Adolf wanted. :eusa_clap

[Ardemax]

im sorry but i dont like your connection at the end, Adolf wanted to eradicate the jews and anyone who apposed him, the nazi's used the swastika, i dont think that the european union are like that...

[alexxxxx]

They are all linked, basically the same. It is like saying the foreign office here is nothing to do with the government, it clearly is. Just because its got a different name doesn't mean its something totally different. Be prepared for more great EU interference, coming soon to a 'country' near you!

It is disgraceful.

They aren't linked. It's just plain ignorance to say they are.

I have just shown how they were all set up by eachother, its like you telling me that the foreign office and the ministry of justice have no link what so ever, both are under one government but have different names. The EU is split into different sections, all under the Union and will continue to become part of the Union.

No, they are not linked AT ALL. The Council Of Europe encompasses a huge number more nations than the EU (including Russia for example). The EU is made up from 3 sections: The European Council (Which confusingly is NOT the Council of Europe), The European Comission and the The European Parliament. These three are linked under one banner. the CoE is completley different.

All of Europe under one flag, just what Adolf wanted. :eusa_clap

Pathetic.

[-:Undertaker:-]

im sorry but i dont like your connection at the end, Adolf wanted to eradicate the jews and anyone who apposed him, the nazi's used the swastika, i dont think that the european union are like that...

The world isn't black and white babe, clearly the EU does not eradicate the jewish people, however where Nazi Germany and the EU are on the same lines is where they both wanted a federal Europe, get it?

They aren't linked. It's just plain ignorance to say they are.

I have just proven how they are linked. Check out sources, check out wikipedia, check out other sites - I have just shown how each organisation was formed/is supported by the other and how they all aim for a federal europe.

No, they are not linked AT ALL. The Council Of Europe encompasses a huge number more nations than the EU (including Russia for example). The EU is made up from 3 sections: The European Council (Which confusingly is NOT the Council of Europe), The European Comission and the The European Parliament. These three are linked under one banner. the CoE is completley different.

I have just shown, again look above.

Pathetic.

Europe under one flag, whats the difference? - you tell me.

[alexxxxx]

I have just proven how they are linked. Check out sources, check out wikipedia, check out other sites - I have just shown how each organisation was formed/is supported by the other and how they all aim for a federal europe.

Europe under one flag, whats the difference? - you tell me.

They are different institutions with different staff, different aims, different buildings.

The European Flag is just that, the european flag. It is not actually the flag of the european union but is used as an emblem of the european union. Infact the european flag was created before the european union and only started to be used in 1993.

just because the state flag of hawaii includes the union jack doesn't mean it's part of the commonwealth.

The starting basis for the European Union was from the ECSC. This along with the European Communities merged into different 'pillars' of the EU and are now these pillars will cease to exist after the Lisbon Treaty comes into force in December.

The Council of Europe have nothing to do with them apart from SOME joint projects, mainly to do with members of tcoe joining the eu.

The EU are expected to follow Council of Europe laws on human rights and the like but they are really very different things with different goals. tcoe is more to do with human rights and the eu is more to do with economic policy.

Those who sit in the EU parliament have no say in what happens at the Council of Europe and likewise.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They are different institutions with different staff, different aims, different buildings.

The European Flag is just that, the european flag. It is not actually the flag of the european union but is used as an emblem of the european union. Infact the european flag was created before the european union and only started to be used in 1993.

just because the state flag of hawaii includes the union jack doesn't mean it's part of the commonwealth.

The starting basis for the European Union was from the ECSC. This along with the European Communities merged into different 'pillars' of the EU and are now these pillars will cease to exist after the Lisbon Treaty comes into force in December.

The Council of Europe have nothing to do with them apart from SOME joint projects, mainly to do with members of tcoe joining the eu.

The EU are expected to follow Council of Europe laws on human rights and the like but they are really very different things with different goals. tcoe is more to do with human rights and the eu is more to do with economic policy.

Those who sit in the EU parliament have no say in what happens at the Council of Europe and likewise.

The foreign office has different staff, different building, different logo, different aims compared to the Home office, does not make it a totally different and unlinked thing - they are both part of a government. They (the EU and CoE) both aim to create a federal superstate, don't pretend you do not know and from what I gather you actually want a European superstate but are unwilling to say it aloud. The European Parliament has no power anyway, its merely a sham of a parliament (just like westminister now) because the laws/directives/rulings all come from the top of the European superstate, whether its from the Union part, the courts or any other part of the EU.

They actually say it in public, its no secret, no conspiracy.

[alexxxxx]

The foreign office has different staff, different building, different logo, different aims compared to the Home office, does not make it a totally different and unlinked thing - they are both part of a government. They (the EU and CoE) both aim to create a federal superstate, don't pretend you do not know and from what I gather you actually want a European superstate but are unwilling to say it aloud. The European Parliament has no power anyway, its merely a sham of a parliament (just like westminister now) because the laws/directives/rulings all come from the top of the European superstate, whether its from the Union part, the courts or any other part of the EU.

They actually say it in public, its no secret, no conspiracy.

Council of Europe is completely different. The EU only expands to states who have signed up and been accepted. The Council of Europe extends to all EU states plus other states including Russia. The European Parliament does have real power and it will recieve more with the LT. It has the power to sack the comission. The laws are 'dreamed up' by the comisison (elected by member states parliaments) and then are passed on to the EU Parliament. The Parliament HAVE to approve the comissioners in the first place.

and yes personally i am in favour a federal europe. grill me on it if you want.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Council of Europe is completely different. The EU only expands to states who have signed up and been accepted. The Council of Europe extends to all EU states plus other states including Russia. The European Parliament does have real power and it will recieve more with the LT. It has the power to sack the comission. The laws are 'dreamed up' by the comisison (elected by member states parliaments) and then are passed on to the EU Parliament. The Parliament HAVE to approve the comissioners in the first place.

and yes personally i am in favour a federal europe. grill me on it if you want.

..as I posted earlier on, here is how they are linked.

The European Court of Human Rights was established under the European Convention of Human Rights, that in turn is adopted by the Council of Europe which in turn works with the European Union on joint-projects and both are working towards European integration.

On the federal europe issue, you support the march towards a federal europe yet don't support the people of Europe having a referendum on it?