Cameron announces 'sovereignty act'

[Ardemax]

EU wasn't made until 93 lol. Its predecessor the EEC began in 58, still well after the world wars had finished

wasn't there some sort of EU like thing like 5 years after the war?

What benefits does the EU give to the United Kingdom?
What war has the EU stopped?

I'm waiting for an answer.

troll or what

[FlyingJesus]

He's not trolling, he asked a question which you apparently can't answer, and probably shouldn't be discussing if you don't even know about it ...

I believe you're referring to the League of Nations, which failed dismally

[Ardemax]

What benefits does the EU give to the United Kingdom?
What war has the EU stopped?

I'm waiting for an answer.

i've answered one of them, so "What benefits does the EU give to the United Kingdom?"

the EU laws like you can get a job anywhere in europe, EU health legislation and things like that

[-:Undertaker:-]

i've answered one of them, so "What benefits does the EU give to the United Kingdom?"

the EU laws like you can get a job anywhere in europe, EU health legislation and things like that

'things like that'.. come on now, answer the question properly. You stated that, and to quote "the EU provides us with more benefits than not, we're better to be in the EU than not as yeah, if we weren't, we'd be losing out on things." - could you please tell us about what 'benefits' the United Kingdom is recieving from the European Union and how they are helping this country?

On the other question, it still remains unanswered so i'm sure you can reply and give an answer in a minute; What war has the EU stopped?

[Ardemax]

'things like that'.. come on now, answer the question properly. You stated that, and to quote "the EU provides us with more benefits than not, we're better to be in the EU than not as yeah, if we weren't, we'd be losing out on things." - could you please tell us about what 'benefits' the United Kingdom is recieving from the European Union and how they are helping this country?

On the other question, it still remains unanswered so i'm sure you can reply and give an answer in a minute; What war has the EU stopped?

look at my post above...

ive answered both questions, you may have to look back a bit

[-:Undertaker:-]

look at my post above...

ive answered both questions, you may have to look back a bit

You have not answered what wars the EU has stopped. I'm very keen on history, so i'd surely love to know what war the EU has prevented.

You have only replied with "the EU laws like you can get a job anywhere in europe, EU health legislation and things like that" to the supposed benefits the EU brings to the United Kingdom.

Instead of relying on other EU supporters to come to the rescue all the time, try to answer these questions, questions about claims you posted yourself.

[Ardemax]

I posted that the only war that has raged through europe since the EU was formed was.... oh yeah, there hasnt been one.

the last one being WW2

[-:Undertaker:-]

In that case then, you are implying that the European Union has stopped any war from occuring in Europe, when infact we had the Cold War which was not prevented at all by any European Union, and the very thing that brought down the USSR was socialism itself and NATO, not the European Union - especially as the European Union was only formed in 1993.

You cannot say just because their has not been a war in Europe (although their have been many battles/wars since 1945 in Europe in reality) that the European Union has been the thing stopping them. That would be like me saying that if UKIP didn't exist that the world would blow up, no evidence at all.

[FlyingJesus]

Getting a job anywhere in Europe isn't really a great benefit to us seeing as how we already get some of the highest wages in Europe anyway, and for those skilled in something that are outsourced to ... well, anywhere in the world really, it's not difficult to get working Visas sorted through the company. The only difficulty before would maybe be if you were unskilled and uneducated with a criminal record

[Wig44.]

Ardemax;

Since you have some sort of misconception that being part of the EU has more benefits than cons I thought I'd give you just a taste of the real EU:

There are EU laws which could make it a crime to participate in any activity that is 'contrary to the advancement of the EU' therefore members of anti-EU parties and people campaigning against the eu (perhaps even undertaker) could be arrested. Does this sound democratic to you? Personally it reminds me of the PRC.

If Britian entered the eurozone it would be required to hand over all gold and foreign currency (all of our pounds sterling for example) reserves to the ECB - this is to stop any eurozone country wishing to return to its own currency by preventing it from having the financial means to do so.

The proposed EU legal system is 'corpus juris' and this takes away a briton's right to be 'innocent until provent guilty'. I'm going to add a slight bit more detail to this, but very simple detail.

Our process is 1) Suspicion 2) Investigation 3) Arrest 4) Charge.

Continental law is 1) Suspicion 2) Arrest 3) Investigation 4) Charge.

Our Common Law, as far back as 1215 with Magna Carta, states that a citizen can only be judged by his peers (Section 39). These rights protect the individual against arbitrary conviction and imprisonment. Our Common Law recognises several vital rights to the citizen:

• The right of Habeas Corpus (that the accused must be taken to a public court within a very short period of time, usually 24 hours, and the accusers must produce their evidence then and there)
• The right to Trial by Jury at which jurors can in fact even disregard the law if they think it would give an unjust conviction. The jurors are thus ‘sovereign’
• If found innocent, the accused cannot be tried again on the same charge (‘double jeopardy’

In continental europe they have the Inquisitorial system:

• No Habeas Corpus so one can be imprisoned for very long periods (weeks, months, occasionally years) without any evidence being produced against you
• No right to Trial by Jury as their system involves judgements being made by a career judiciary who are the judges and prosecutors and who are, to all intents and purposes, ‘colleagues’ (a quite separate body of lawyers makes the defence and are often treated as inferiors)
• In most instances the accused can be tried a second time for the same offence, since the prosecution has the right of appeal against acquittal.

Following on from this, Europol (the EU 'police force') can detain you for up to 6 months without charging you of anything at all.

I have far, far more to tell. And these examples are by no means the most debilitating for the UK. So, what benefits were you talking about?