EU President says world government is the ultimate goal

[alexxxxx]

No do not give me the democratically elected government issue, no main party in the United Kingdom ever pledged to sign up to the European Union, and when a government was elected on a manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU reform, it then declined to hold a referendum.

The commission is the government, the ECJ is the government's legal side.

the comission is the executive and has a monopoly on legislative initiation. the court is the judiciary.

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the comission is the executive and has a monopoly on legislative initiation. the court is the judiciary.

AKA the government, unelected. On the issue of the parliament itself,
Green Party leader Ms Lucas, also an MEP, told BBC1's Andrew Marr show: 'He won't get the right to speak. The Parliament sadly doesn't even get the right to really influence the decisions at all. 'So this idea that somehow Nick Griffin is going to have any real influence on what happens in Copenhagen is a myth.' - there we go, right out of the mouth of a climate change nutter who would surely love whats going on in Copenhagen right now.


An unelected commission that makes rules for us all to abide by and a ECJ which enforces those rules on business, government and people costing tens of billions each year.

[alexxxxx]

AKA the government, unelected. On the issue of the parliament itself,
Green Party leader Ms Lucas, also an MEP, told BBC1's Andrew Marr show: 'He won't get the right to speak. The Parliament sadly doesn't even get the right to really influence the decisions at all. 'So this idea that somehow Nick Griffin is going to have any real influence on what happens in Copenhagen is a myth.' - there we go, right out of the mouth of a climate change nutter who would surely love whats going on in Copenhagen right now.

Our cabinet, roughly the same as the comission is unlected. The green party are angry because they won't get what they want out of copenhagen. Nothing will come out of it because everyone is too concentrated on the economy, noone will have an effect.

An unelected commission that makes rules for us all to abide by and a ECJ which enforces those rules on business, government and people costing tens of billions each year.

The comission should have this sole power because it is their responsibility to to enforce it. It's their responsibility to check to uphold the treaties. If a law breaks a treaty but is made and passed in the parliament, there would be a crisis. That's why it has to solely started by the comission in this case. The comission has to prove to the ECJ that a business breaks a law, the ECJ is just a court.

Well the laws have to pass in the council and the parliament before they take effect, so really, if it's not wanted it shouldn't pass. The parliament and CoM can make formal requests for legislation (and so can a petition of 1 000 000 EU citizens).

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Our cabinet, roughly the same as the comission is unlected. The green party are angry because they won't get what they want out of copenhagen. Nothing will come out of it because everyone is too concentrated on the economy, noone will have an effect.

The people who make up a cabinent are elected, we do not have an election which says 'do you want a UKIP cabinet/Labour cabinet/Portugese Socialist cabinet - unelected. The Green Party have just told the truth, the parliament has no power what so ever.

The comission should have this sole power because it is their responsibility to to enforce it. It's their responsibility to check to uphold the treaties. If a law breaks a treaty but is made and passed in the parliament, there would be a crisis. That's why it has to solely started by the comission in this case. The comission has to prove to the ECJ that a business breaks a law, the ECJ is just a court.

No, they should not have any powers because nobody asked for a European Union.

Well the laws have to pass in the council and the parliament before they take effect, so really, if it's not wanted it shouldn't pass. The parliament and CoM can make formal requests for legislation (and so can a petition of 1 000 000 EU citizens).

There is no such thing as a EU citizen, well not a true one anyway; theres a French citizen, a British citizen - do you not realise nobody was ever asked for this? - do you not think its a disgrace that democracy is being trampled on all so the fat cats in Brussels can create their new superstate and continue their new world order project. Its not only happening in Europe, its happening in South America, Africa and even Asia to a lesser extent.

The EU may stamp 'EU citizen' on all our passports, but who the hell asked for it?

[alexxxxx]

The people who make up a cabinent are elected, we do not have an election which says 'do you want a UKIP cabinet/Labour cabinet/Portugese Socialist cabinet - unelected. The Green Party have just told the truth, the parliament has no power what so ever.
No, they should not have any powers because nobody asked for a European Union.

Mandelson is not elected, yet he is in the cabinet. We don't get to decide who is in the cabinet, we don't get to decide who's the prime minister, we don't get to decide who sits in the comission and we don't get to decide who sits in the UN. The UN makes laws, should we have a refferendum on that?

The Parliament quite clearly has powers.

There is no such thing as a EU citizen, well not a true one anyway; theres a French citizen, a British citizen - do you not realise nobody was ever asked for this? - do you not think its a disgrace that democracy is being trampled on all so the fat cats in Brussels can create their new superstate and continue their new world order project. Its not only happening in Europe, its happening in South America, Africa and even Asia to a lesser extent.

The EU may stamp 'EU citizen' on all our passports, but who the hell asked for it?

You have completely divelged off the point. You are a UK national yes and by proxy you are an EU national as the UK is in the EU. I don't believe you are an 'EU national,' rather, your nationality allows you to reside wherever you like in the EU. The 'EUROPEAN UNION' on the top of your passport denotes that your country is in the EU (note that Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernesy, UK Overseas, Fawkland Isands, the like) do not include this as they are not in the EU. This is to make the jobs of those who work at borders easier. There is no trampling on democracy, you are deluded and are just upset that UKIP are a joke and incapable of winning a seat in the commons.

There is no 'EU Citizen' stamp in your passport, i guess you don't have one.

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Mandelson is not elected, yet he is in the cabinet. We don't get to decide who is in the cabinet, we don't get to decide who's the prime minister, we don't get to decide who sits in the comission and we don't get to decide who sits in the UN. The UN makes laws, should we have a refferendum on that?

Mandelson should never of been in the European Union.
Mandelson should not be in government.
Mandelson should be investigated for corruption (not the first time either).

The Parliament quite clearly has powers.
You have completely divelged off the point. You are a UK national yes and by proxy you are an EU national as the UK is in the EU. I don't believe you are an 'EU national,' rather, your nationality allows you to reside wherever you like in the EU. The 'EUROPEAN UNION' on the top of your passport denotes that your country is in the EU (note that Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernesy, UK Overseas, Fawkland Isands, the like) do not include this as they are not in the EU. This is to make the jobs of those who work at borders easier. There is no trampling on democracy, you are deluded and are just upset that UKIP are a joke and incapable of winning a seat in the commons.

Why are UKIP a joke? - are they also racists, xenophobes, homophobes and so on? - have you actually realised that UKIP more so, but also the BNP and others represent both the left and right of voters more than any of the main partys do? - nobody trusts, wants or believes the main parties anymore. None of the main parties ever asked us if we wanted to be part of the European Union.

If we had a fair voting system, and if we'd of had a General Election in the summer, right now the Conservatives would be in government with UKIP as the opposition. Labour and the Liberal Democrats would be consigned to the history bin.

[alexxxxx]

Mandelson should never of been in the European Union.
Mandelson should not be in government.
Mandelson should be investigated for corruption (not the first time either).

OK, but that doesn't go as far as pointing out what else I've written.

Why are UKIP a joke? - are they also racists, xenophobes, homophobes and so on? - have you actually realised that UKIP more so, but also the BNP and others represent both the left and right of voters more than any of the main partys do? - nobody trusts, wants or believes the main parties anymore. None of the main parties ever asked us if we wanted to be part of the European Union.

UKIP are a fragile mess. The new leader has NEVER been elected into office, just like how he claims the EU is running, at least Nick Griffin, Brown, Clegg and Cameron have all been elected. UKIP aren't exactly setting a great example by choosing someone who's also claimed over £100 000 (one hundred thousand pounds) on his 'second' house (WORTH £3.7MILLION) when in his business documents he has denoted that's his primary residence. Also claimes £40000 on travel expenses. THAT'S WHY UKIP ARE A BLEEDING JOKE. This isn't to mention that UKIP MEP has been done for fiddling with euro-expenses AND 2 have been jailed for fraud. And it hasn't even got that many seats compared with everyone else. UKIP = A JOKE.

If we had a fair voting system, and if we'd of had a General Election in the summer, right now the Conservatives would be in government with UKIP as the opposition. Labour and the Liberal Democrats would be consigned to the history bin.

Dream on!

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UKIP are a fragile mess. The new leader has NEVER been elected into office, just like how he claims the EU is running, at least Nick Griffin, Brown, Clegg and Cameron have all been elected.

UKIP do not run the lives of 500+ million people, Pearson actually favours the House of Lords to be reformed or even abolished. If you are going to look at it like that, Brown was never elected as Labour Leader or directly elected as Prime Minister - Lord Pearson was elected by a majority of UKIPs' members.

Lord Pearson is elected.

UKIP aren't exactly setting a great example by choosing someone who's also claimed over £100 000 (one hundred thousand pounds) on his 'second' house (WORTH £3.7MILLION) when in his business documents he has denoted that's his primary residence. Also claimes £40000 on travel expenses. THAT'S WHY UKIP ARE A BLEEDING JOKE. This isn't to mention that UKIP MEP has been done for fiddling with euro-expenses AND 2 have been jailed for fraud. And it hasn't even got that many seats compared with everyone else. UKIP = A JOKE.
Dream on!

Farage has to travel to and from Brussels, thats why his expenses are so high. This, topped with the fact the European Union provides MEPs with funding for staff means that the cost of his office will be high, he has never been proven of doing anything wrong and he hasn't done anything wrong. If you compare this with the Lib/Lab/Con elite, those members, even those who were close to parliament has deliberatly fiddled expenses to amounts that were never needed. The office that Farage runs (that he wants abolished) costs money because of the European Union - now what would I rather have? - somebody who is actually defending British rights and sovereignty in the EU spending our money or somebody (Labour/Liberal Democrats & Conservatives) who is willingly signing away our sovereign powers to the unelected European Union spending our money?

On the fraud, yes they should be jailed. What did UKIP do? - they threw them out of the party straight away.

What did Lab/Lib/Con do? - let them all keep their cushy jobs.

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UKIP do not run the lives of 500+ million people, Pearson actually favours the House of Lords to be reformed or even abolished. If you are going to look at it like that, Brown was never elected as Labour Leader or directly elected as Prime Minister - Lord Pearson was elected by a majority of UKIPs' members.

Lord Pearson is elected.

Just like how the european council president is elected, elected by its members... not that is anyway related to my point. My point was that the new head of UKIP has not been elected into any office.

Farage has to travel to and from Brussels, thats why his expenses are so high. This, topped with the fact the European Union provides MEPs with funding for staff means that the cost of his office will be high, he has never been proven of doing anything wrong and he hasn't done anything wrong. If you compare this with the Lib/Lab/Con elite, those members, even those who were close to parliament has deliberatly fiddled expenses to amounts that were never needed. The office that Farage runs (that he wants abolished) costs money because of the European Union - now what would I rather have? - somebody who is actually defending British rights and sovereignty in the EU spending our money or somebody (Labour/Liberal Democrats & Conservatives) who is willingly signing away our sovereign powers to the unelected European Union spending our money?

On the fraud, yes they should be jailed. What did UKIP do? - they threw them out of the party straight away.

What did Lab/Lib/Con do? - let them all keep their cushy jobs.

I'm not talking about Farage. Farage is entitled to his expenses and his staff. I'm talking about the new president of UKIP: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ndon-home.html (yes even the TELEGRAPH reported this).

The Fraud case is completley different to the MPs expenses scandle. This was where (if i remember correctly), these people said they were paying staff when infact it was going directly into their pockets. Clear cut thievery.

UKIP ARE A JOKE.

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Just like how the european council president is elected, elected by its members... not that is anyway related to my point. My point was that the new head of UKIP has not been elected into any office.

The new head of UKIP does not rule the lives of 500 million people now, does he?

I'm not talking about Farage. Farage is entitled to his expenses and his staff. I'm talking about the new president of UKIP: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ndon-home.html (yes even the TELEGRAPH reported this).

The Fraud case is completley different to the MPs expenses scandle. This was where (if i remember correctly), these people said they were paying staff when infact it was going directly into their pockets. Clear cut thievery.

UKIP ARE A JOKE.

According to this, Pearson uses both houses equally. However I hope he's being investigated and if anything is found, he like all the others should all be thrown out of their jobs straight away and criminal trials brought if needed.

..why are a party which represent a lot of things the majority want, a joke?

I would argue it is your opinion on the European Union which is the joke, because you claim to support democracy I assume, yet refuse to support thre case for a referendum and we later found out you are a european federalist. What gives you and other europhiles the right to impose a superstate on this country?