BNP membership list forced closure

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Why care if their membership polices are too racist they are a racist party so if their entrance terms are racist does it come as a surprise?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Postitive discriminiation only relates to women shortlists and is an exception of the Sexual discrimination Act - it is in force until 2030. It is therefore lawful having been passed by parliament. There are no 'black' only shortlists so there is no race issue so only the BNP judge on the race of a person. Having said that yes I do support a more fair representation of all minorities in parliament - this does not make me a racist. What does this make us all? I do not know who us all are?

It may be lawful but it is still not fair and is discriminatory. How can you say you support a fair parliament when the whole idea and notion of fairness is for somebody to be elected based on not who they are and the colour of their skin, but on their personal qualities and their determination and thought? - The black only shortlists are an issue as they do exist and they are a race issue, you are banning people from running because they are a certain colour of skin. I find it the upmost of being hypocritical when you slam the British National Party for racism yet support judging people/electing people based on the colour of their skin or what sex they were born.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4368035.stm - Labour impose 'coincidental' black shortlist in a 55% black/asian area.
http://www.poptel.org.uk/scgn/archiv...s/0710/p5.html - Labour MP Diane Abbott calls for all-black shortlists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/409665.stm - Yet more racism from the main parties and MPs including the 'equality' chief.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...andidates.html - Cameron with his black, woman and gay only shortlists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3341874.ece - Harriett Harman, the Chairman of the Labour Party wants compulsory all-black shortlists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...hortlists.html - Cameron again with his all-woman shortlists.

If you support banning people of a certain colour skin from standing then you are a racist.
If you support banning people of a certain gender from standing then you are a sexist.

If I called for black people not to be allowed on certain buses, what would you call me?

[Catzsy]

Your first exmple is from 2005
Your second example is just a call from one MP with no date
Your third example is from 1999
Your fourth example might have some credence but is only one.
Your fifth example is from 2008 and since then it has been decided that there is
not going to be all black shortlists.
All women short-lists are perfectly lawful.

So in the last 11 years - is that all the examples you can find to back up your theories?

What have you got against Parliament being represented by a cross section of the population?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Your first exmple is from 2005
Your second example is just a call from one MP with no date
Your third example is from 1999
Your fourth example might have some credence but is only one.
Your fifth example is from 2008 and since then it has been decided that there is
not going to be all black shortlists.
All women short-lists are perfectly lawful.

So in the last 11 years - is that all the examples you can find to back up your theories?

What have you got against Parliament being represented by a cross section of the population?

The press are not going to keep reporting events that occured many years ago are they? - thats like me saying that because the Treaty of Nice is no longer reported on, it must not exist/has been abolished since. They are not theories, they are fact. Cameroin recently started aswell to which many Tories such as myself are truly against - we are not against it being represented by a cross section so do not make it seem that I am. If a black candidate is better than a white candidate then I would suggest they be elected to stand and so forth. You dont get far in life if you expect everything to be given to you on a plate because of who you are. You do not make decisions based on the colour of somebodies skin, you make it on what their ability is. If you make that decision based on the colour of somebodies skin then you are a racist.

I will ask again; If I called for black people not to be allowed on certain buses, what would you call me?

[Catzsy]

The press are not going to keep reporting events that occured many years ago are they? - thats like me saying that because the Treaty of Nice is no longer reported on, it must not exist/has been abolished since. They are not theories, they are fact. Cameroin recently started aswell to which many Tories such as myself are truly against - we are not against it being represented by a cross section so do not make it seem that I am. If a black candidate is better than a white candidate then I would suggest they be elected to stand and so forth. You dont get far in life if you expect everything to be given to you on a plate because of who you are. You do not make decisions based on the colour of somebodies skin, you make it on what their ability is. If you make that decision based on the colour of somebodies skin then you are a racist.

I will ask again; If I called for black people not to be allowed on certain buses, what would you call me?

Well I suggest you check the dates of your examples and find some ones that have been reported recently. I haven't answered your question as it is flippant & downright silly and has absolutely nothing to do with parliamentary selection and the answer is obvious. As I said to you in a previous post there are no black short lists but it's not as if even if they were selected that it is going to make a great deal of difference for many years to come (Some have estimated, including the Fabian Society) that with subconscious discrimination that it could take 75 years. Currently women make up nearly 20 per cent of MPs in the House of Commons. This compares with women Members making up nearly half (46.7 per cent) of the Welsh Assembly, and 34.8 per cent of the Scottish Parliament. To reflect society, the House of Commons would need about 200 more women MPs (more than two and a half times as many). The fact of under-representation is clear. There are currently 15 non-white MPs: there would be 60 if the House of Commons was to reflect proportionately the ethnic mix of the country.

[jrh2002]

I think the BNP has a number of racists in the party but I think that can be said for ALL the parties no matter what they say. There will be a number of people in the BNP who are not racists jsut like other parties. There are people who are racist who support all parties.

I get quite annoyed when the BNP have one of their marches which are perfectly legal and been agreed to by the police etc and then all of a sudden these so called anti racism protestors appear hurling lots of abuse and anything they get to hand and then its on the news that the BNP caused all this trouble :s The anti racism rent a mob groups are perfectly entitled to march and make their point but hijacking planned BNP events which then get reported blaming the BNP is wrong. I did watch a documentry on the BNP and quite clearly there were a load of thick racist old bags who had no idea about any policies. I guess its up to the party to clear them out over time but as they are villified more and more the more people have sympathy for them including more racists. Take a look at some of the BNP policies and if a major party stole the good ones they would surely get elected on them but all the big parties are to scared and politically correct to dare.

The English Defence League is the one to watch out for as most the hard line racists are in that after leaving the BNP and the reason they have left is because they tried using the BNP as a replacement for the National Front.

As for discrimination I think the word speaks for itself and adding the word positive to it is a disgrace. The cream rises to the top be it man, woman, black, white, brown, yellow, short, tall, fat, thin. I have read about many forms of positive discrimination over the years and the main culprits are government, councils and anything in the public sector. The may not advertise directly for 10 disabled, 12 women and 14 black people to help fill 40 positions and even if there were 40 white british men better qualified only 4 would get in as the other 36 places were given by positive discrimination. To get a job at my local council people joke that you need to be a black one legged lesbian but there is an element of truth in it and the more it goes on as well as this social engineering the more people get fed up and turn to the BNP or worse.

Take a look here to see what we have to contend with
http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=5145524

If I had say a high street shop I find it so wrong I can be told who I can and cant employ. To be honest it does annoy me that much I could find myself ignoring the better applicants because they fall into the category of who I am expected to employ so maybe these government policies are pushing hard working people towards racism without them even realising? I could have a step on my shop and then I suddenly get told I must get a disabled ramp for my customers :s of course you would help them up and down your step but once I get told what I must do I would want to put another step in Its one thing the public sector doing as they are told but I think its totally wrong a private firm can be told what to do. I think the same goes with the BNP membership they are a recognised legal political party and I think the huge fuss being made by other parties is because they are trying to scare people from voting for them but they should realise the more they go on about them and jumping on them the more sympathy they are getting. I think the BNP have some great policies http://bnp.org.uk/policies/ but as said before I am going to vote conservative just to get this shower of **** out of power but would probably go UKIP if they had any chance of winning.

I would never write an advert offering a job asking for a white english male and would take the best applicant whoever they are.
We have stories like this one http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ns-job-ad.html on a daily basis.
Heres another http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...en-Polish.html
I think its got to the point where these people think they can do what they please due to our rediculous laws.
Its got to a point where black and foreign people seem to think they cant be racist as they are not white :s Only men can be sexist You cant look at a disabled person without discriminating against them and your a cave man when you pull faces at homosexuals with their tongues down eachh others throats during the day in the city center. You cant look down on people on benefits even though you know the ones who think its a career choice Single mothers can farm babies and keep getting our cash thrown at them.......

I have friends from every minority as well as ones all over the world (Yes I travel and not including ppl I know off the internet) and we can all make jokes about ourselves, each other, religion, disability and just about anything and we all get on great but then there are these people who seek to be offended by just about everything and then the government pamper to them. I can also be outspoken and say what I like when I like and the people who know me love that about me and the people who do get offended can get stuffed. I am a white english working male in my own country and I feel like an outcast and everybody is againt me Maybe I should become a muslim and improve my rights by 100%. Its not just me who feels like this so all these do gooders better do something about it before people take to the streets like they are doing in other european countries. I am afraid the UK is sinking and bankrupt and cant wait to see what will happen when all the immigrants skip back home with their sacks full of gold and the UK becomes a 3rd world country lol dont worry I am going with them :p

Labour keep going on about the tory lord who was not paying uk taxes on his overseas earnings lol can you blame him? why the hell would you pay this lot tax you did not have to just for it to be wasted.

Forgive any errors as I cant be bothered to check it and if you pick up on any errors I may sue you for discrimination

[HotelUser]

I think the BNP has a number of racists in the party but I think that can be said for ALL the parties no matter what they say. There will be a number of people in the BNP who are not racists jsut like other parties. There are people who are racist who support all parties.

I get quite annoyed when the BNP have one of their marches which are perfectly legal and been agreed to by the police etc and then all of a sudden these so called anti racism protestors appear hurling lots of abuse and anything they get to hand and then its on the news that the BNP caused all this trouble :s The anti racism rent a mob groups are perfectly entitled to march and make their point but hijacking planned BNP events which then get reported blaming the BNP is wrong. I did watch a documentry on the BNP and quite clearly there were a load of thick racist old bags who had no idea about any policies. I guess its up to the party to clear them out over time but as they are villified more and more the more people have sympathy for them including more racists. Take a look at some of the BNP policies and if a major party stole the good ones they would surely get elected on them but all the big parties are to scared and politically correct to dare.

The English Defence League is the one to watch out for as most the hard line racists are in that after leaving the BNP and the reason they have left is because they tried using the BNP as a replacement for the National Front.

As for discrimination I think the word speaks for itself and adding the word positive to it is a disgrace. The cream rises to the top be it man, woman, black, white, brown, yellow, short, tall, fat, thin. I have read about many forms of positive discrimination over the years and the main culprits are government, councils and anything in the public sector. The may not advertise directly for 10 disabled, 12 women and 14 black people to help fill 40 positions and even if there were 40 white british men better qualified only 4 would get in as the other 36 places were given by positive discrimination. To get a job at my local council people joke that you need to be a black one legged lesbian but there is an element of truth in it and the more it goes on as well as this social engineering the more people get fed up and turn to the BNP or worse.

Take a look here to see what we have to contend with
http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=5145524

If I had say a high street shop I find it so wrong I can be told who I can and cant employ. To be honest it does annoy me that much I could find myself ignoring the better applicants because they fall into the category of who I am expected to employ so maybe these government policies are pushing hard working people towards racism without them even realising? I could have a step on my shop and then I suddenly get told I must get a disabled ramp for my customers :s of course you would help them up and down your step but once I get told what I must do I would want to put another step in Its one thing the public sector doing as they are told but I think its totally wrong a private firm can be told what to do. I think the same goes with the BNP membership they are a recognised legal political party and I think the huge fuss being made by other parties is because they are trying to scare people from voting for them but they should realise the more they go on about them and jumping on them the more sympathy they are getting. I think the BNP have some great policies http://bnp.org.uk/policies/ but as said before I am going to vote conservative just to get this shower of **** out of power but would probably go UKIP if they had any chance of winning.

I would never write an advert offering a job asking for a white english male and would take the best applicant whoever they are.
We have stories like this one http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ns-job-ad.html on a daily basis.
Heres another http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...en-Polish.html
I think its got to the point where these people think they can do what they please due to our rediculous laws.
Its got to a point where black and foreign people seem to think they cant be racist as they are not white :s Only men can be sexist You cant look at a disabled person without discriminating against them and your a cave man when you pull faces at homosexuals with their tongues down eachh others throats during the day in the city center. You cant look down on people on benefits even though you know the ones who think its a career choice Single mothers can farm babies and keep getting our cash thrown at them.......

I have friends from every minority as well as ones all over the world (Yes I travel and not including ppl I know off the internet) and we can all make jokes about ourselves, each other, religion, disability and just about anything and we all get on great but then there are these people who seek to be offended by just about everything and then the government pamper to them. I can also be outspoken and say what I like when I like and the people who know me love that about me and the people who do get offended can get stuffed. I am a white english working male in my own country and I feel like an outcast and everybody is againt me Maybe I should become a muslim and improve my rights by 100%. Its not just me who feels like this so all these do gooders better do something about it before people take to the streets like they are doing in other european countries. I am afraid the UK is sinking and bankrupt and cant wait to see what will happen when all the immigrants skip back home with their sacks full of gold and the UK becomes a 3rd world country lol dont worry I am going with them :p

Labour keep going on about the tory lord who was not paying uk taxes on his overseas earnings lol can you blame him? why the hell would you pay this lot tax you did not have to just for it to be wasted.

Forgive any errors as I cant be bothered to check it and if you pick up on any errors I may sue you for discrimination

In a perfect world I think whoever's better suited for the job should be given the position. Unfortunately it's not a perfect world we live in, which is why (the Canadian government, anyway) gives companies benefits for being equal opportunity employers. What's not fair is that companies and corporations do go out of their way to hire minorities of the work force for the PR. Then again, the minorities do make less money on average than the majority so I guess there's a bit of corruption in any aspect of this.

The BNP was built upon xenophobic and racist ideas. Typically rejection of a political party altogether based on several traits of the party itself is stupid. However in this case I'm going to go ahead and share my distaste for the BNP because of their absurd outlooks on what is right and what is fair. That's why I have absolutely no negative thoughts about BNP protesting. To be frank, I would of thought Nick Griffins views on the Holocaust and homosexuality would of been enough to make any sensible voter scream and run in the opposite direction.

[jrh2002]

In a perfect world I think whoever's better suited for the job should be given the position. Unfortunately it's not a perfect world we live in, which is why (the Canadian government, anyway) gives companies benefits for being equal opportunity employers. What's not fair is that companies and corporations do go out of their way to hire minorities of the work force for the PR. Then again, the minorities do make less money on average than the majority so I guess there's a bit of corruption in any aspect of this.

The BNP was built upon xenophobic and racist ideas. Typically rejection of a political party altogether based on several traits of the party itself is stupid. However in this case I'm going to go ahead and share my distaste for the BNP because of their absurd outlooks on what is right and what is fair. That's why I have absolutely no negative thoughts about BNP protesting. To be frank, I would of thought Nick Griffins views on the Holocaust and homosexuality would of been enough to make any sensible voter scream and run in the opposite direction.

You are spot on about Nick Griffin and for any chance of the party moving forward he needs to be replaced as their leader (lots of their own party agree)
To me my country is number one and that means the working uk citizens coming first for once. We know there are racists in the party but as I said they are hard line are disgruntled that the party is not how they hoped and moving on nastier things.

We need to scrap all tax on earnings up to 15k a year but then put the VAT up on everything so that even the benefit lay abouts also have to contibute. I say we stop giving them money and open the school kitchens early in the morning and then the evening and feed them all there.

We need out the EU as they are pushing all these crazy laws on us like banning vegetables that are not the correct shape (even though they taste the same) Throwing 1000's of fish back in the sea that are dead so you are not over your fishing quota :s what a waste :s all pushing the prices and believe it or not every other european country I have been to only use the good EU laws for their own benefit and ignore the rest but not the UK we follow them to the lettter.... As for the few countries paying inn to the EU and the majority taking out shows what a con it really is.

Take a look at these BNP policies
http://bnp.org.uk/policies/

A lot of their policies make sense and surely looking after your own country is number one? look at Australia for example.
Unless a bigger party is going to adopt some of those policies then the more people who are totally disgusted at seeing how the UK has gone over the last 10 years only have parties like the BNP to turn to.

As said before I will vote Conservative at the general election and then the party who has the best chance of winning in my area who wants us out of the EU be that UKIP or the BNP in the european elections. The EU is crippling us and getting out of that to me comes well before me caring about the chance of me upsetting the politically correct brigade.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well I suggest you check the dates of your examples and find some ones that have been reported recently. I haven't answered your question as it is flippant & downright silly and has absolutely nothing to do with parliamentary selection and the answer is obvious. As I said to you in a previous post there are no black short lists but it's not as if even if they were selected that it is going to make a great deal of difference for many years to come (Some have estimated, including the Fabian Society) that with subconscious discrimination that it could take 75 years. Currently women make up nearly 20 per cent of MPs in the House of Commons. This compares with women Members making up nearly half (46.7 per cent) of the Welsh Assembly, and 34.8 per cent of the Scottish Parliament. To reflect society, the House of Commons would need about 200 more women MPs (more than two and a half times as many). The fact of under-representation is clear. There are currently 15 non-white MPs: there would be 60 if the House of Commons was to reflect proportionately the ethnic mix of the country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...tharman.labour - 2008 example of Labour.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3341874.ece - 2008 example of Labour (again).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1806259.html - 2009 example of Cameron.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...andidates.html - 2010 example of Cameron.

I dont know recent you'd like the example to be, but there you go; total discrimination against different groups in favour of other groups (just like the Apartheid system). In reply to what you would call me if I called for all Black people to be banned from getting on certain buses; yes you'd call me a racist. So why are you any different when you call for white men to be banned from standing as an MP for their local consituency?

As for the makeup of parliament; we live in a democracy. That means choice when you elect somebody. The reason why many women may not be in parliament is because politics isnt much of a womens thing and thats a fact. Just like nursing or flight attending is not much of a mens thing. There is a very famous women MP and former Prime Minister (yes you've guessed her) Margaret Thatcher who had to genuinely fight aristocrats within the Conservative Party to be able to stand as a woman candidate in a seat. It is not the same now; but she fought and fought and eventually won. She didnt demand to be in a job because she was a woman, she fought because she believed she could do it and was capable of doing a good job.

What right do the Labour Party/Conservative Party have in banning me from a democratic election because of the colour of my skin/my sex?

[Catzsy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...tharman.labour - 2008 example of Labour.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3341874.ece - 2008 example of Labour (again).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1806259.html - 2009 example of Cameron.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...andidates.html - 2010 example of Cameron.

I dont know recent you'd like the example to be, but there you go; total discrimination against different groups in favour of other groups (just like the Apartheid system). In reply to what you would call me if I called for all Black people to be banned from getting on certain buses; yes you'd call me a racist.] So why are you any different when you call for white men to be banned from standing as an MP for their local consituency?

As for the makeup of parliament; we live in a democracy. That means choice when you elect somebody. The reason why many women may not be in parliament is because politics isnt much of a womens thing and thats a fact. Just like nursing or flight attending is not much of a mens thing. There is a very famous women MP and former Prime Minister (yes you've guessed her) Margaret Thatcher who had to genuinely fight aristocrats within the Conservative Party to be able to stand as a woman candidate in a seat. It is not the same now; but she fought and fought and eventually won. She didnt demand to be in a job because she was a woman, she fought because she believed she could do it and was capable of doing a good job.

What right do the Labour Party/Conservative Party have in banning me from a democratic election because of the colour of my skin/my sex?

The part in bold is absolutely ludicrous and extremely sexist & offensive. You sound like somebody from the 1950s. I will never take you seriously again - I really thought you were more intelligent and open minded than that despite us disagreeing on political issues.

You need to put things into perspective a bit here. All women short lists, not that there are many, are legal and therefore not racist as that is illegal. Men, women of all age, creeds races who want to stand for parliament can put themselves forward . There is no bar. If you were applying for a job nobody can guarantee it for your local area - it is no different in politics. If anybody is that keen they will go for a constituency that is free.