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[RedStratocas]

Undoubtedly I need to elaborate on what I meant. I do not think he was voted in solely because he was black. If he wasn't a solid contender he would never have been a president, but my point was that had he been the exact same man but was white he would not currently be president. That is because droves of African Americans who said themselves that they normally never vote decided to vote this year (and they constitute a significant portion of America's population). Who did they vote for? Obama of course. Why? As they said themsleves, because they wanted a black president. Note I said the African Americans I am talking about are/were the ones who never voted before. If he was white he would probably not have had these votes (though we can't be certain) thus he would not be president now. You have to remember these disillusioned voters make up a hefty portion of the population.

there aren't any statistics to back this up, but as an american, i feel i must say i think just as many people voted against him because he was black, including new voters. there may be disillusioned leftists but if fox news has taught me anything there are probably way more disillusioned to the right.

[Wig44.]

If Fox news has taught you anything, then you'd better forget it all quickly!

[Catzsy]

Undoubtedly I need to elaborate on what I meant. I do not think he was voted in solely because he was black. If he wasn't a solid contender he would never have been a president, but my point was that had he been the exact same man but was white he would not currently be president. That is because droves of African Americans who said themselves that they normally never vote decided to vote this year (and they constitute a significant portion of America's population). Who did they vote for? Obama of course. Why? As they said themsleves, because they wanted a black president. Note I said the African Americans I am talking about are/were the ones who never voted before. If he was white he would probably not have had these votes (though we can't be certain) thus he would not be president now. You have to remember these disillusioned voters make up a hefty portion of the population.

Yes well I agree partially with you there but I still think he would be president as there was only 4% between the contenders in the white. Probably would have been a lot closer but I think he would have won. But you know the old saying 'if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle' and you could perpetuate this theory to the democratic nomination - if the black vote hadn't come out Hilary Clinton would have been the Democratic nomination and so on and so on. I believe this man was powerful enough and charismatic enough to motivate the black voters in a way that other black men such as Jesse Jackson have not in the past. I am going to wait to give my verdict on him as a president - I do not feel he has been in office long enough to give a informed and valid judgment. Bush will go down in history for his bloopers, a few are here:

"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." (5th May 2006)

Wow! Brazil is big." (6th Nov 2005

"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur

"My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important reason. It begins here because for a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific." (18th Feb 2002)

"Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better." (24 Sep 2001)

"I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army."

[RedStratocas]

If Fox news has taught you anything, then you'd better forget it all quickly!

hahaha so true, but its pretty scary to me that fox news is the most watched news network.