Labour attacked after giving £170 million to the People's Republic of China

[MrPinkPanther]

Like I said in the old thread, you'd get some kind of credibility if you started quoting real papers and not tabloids whose main function does tend to be scaremongering or giving the latest gossip. Lets be honest, it sells papers.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Like I said in the old thread, you'd get some kind of credibility if you started quoting real papers and not tabloids whose main function does tend to be scaremongering or giving the latest gossip. Lets be honest, it sells papers.

What you may class as a real paper such as the Guardian will not report on Labours wasteful spending, i'd suggest that your comments may gain some credibility if you started actually replying to the topic rather than ranting on about its source.

[Jordy]

While I'm not totally against aid, I am totally against aid to the likes of China. What really astounds me though is that the UK Government have stopped giving anything to Haiti unlike all the other major nations. Fair enough if you don't want to give aid to any country, but wouldn't you rather Haiti got the money than China? They can't even waste our money properly.

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5520
(Apologies for posting a link to a heavily biased socialist website, but it must be saying something if they're criticizing Labour)

[Catzsy]

What you may class as a real paper such as the Guardian will not report on Labours wasteful spending, i'd suggest that your comments may gain some credibility if you started actually replying to the topic rather than ranting on about its source.

You know this is a bit Pot Kettle Black. You are very happy to quote from right wing papers and defend them to the hilt but when it comes to a leftish wing one you rubbish it too! None of the papers are worth relying on completely. We should all know 'it's what they don't say that counts'. Tbf though I don't think the mail or express is classed as a tabloid whereas the Sun and star are otherwise I would have to move it to the tabloid section

@ Jordy I think you are a bit mixed up here. What has that website which actually advertises the Morning Star got to do with the Labour party? - they don't like new Labour and have never done so? That's like saying the It must be something if the National Front are criticising the Conservative party. There is a huge spectrum between Marxism and Facism and all the main parties are in the middle of this spectrum - some slightly right and some slightly left.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You know this is a bit Pot Kettle Black. You are very happy to quote from right wing papers and defend them to the hilt but when it comes to a leftish wing one you rubbish it too! None of the papers are worth relying on completely. We should all know 'it's what they don't say that counts'. Tbf though I don't think the mail or express is classed as a tabloid whereas the Sun and star are otherwise I would have to move it to the tabloid section If it was significient then you would find a source. @ Jordy I think you are a bit mixed up here. What has that website which actually advertises the Morning Star got to do with the Labour party? - they don't like new Labour and have never done so? That's like saying the I should excuse the National Front from criticising the Conservative party. There is a huge spectrum between Marxism and Facism and all the main parties are in the middle of this spectrum - some slightly right and some slightly left.

I do not rubbish what left wing papers say because they are rarely quoted/used as sources on this forum, yourself and others never seem to quote the Guardian and when you do so(?) - I dont simply dismiss it as you all do but I argue my side of the debate. It seems more and more apparent nowadays in this forum that rather than wanting to comment on wasteful spending you are all so much more keen to carry with the usual 'well I knew you'd post from the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express' - instead of having a go at the paper (which I couldnt give a toss what any of you read anyway and i'm sure the same goes for myself) maybe have a go at debating against my point of the argument [provided you disagree with me] which is that this is an unacceptable waste of public finances at a time when our debt is ballooning in size.

I must say on the point of papers themselves (which the topic has now been dragged onto when it shouldnt be because they are totally irrelvant) the Telegraph, Mail and Express while obviously being biased do tend to criticise the Conservative Party more, whereas the Daily Mirror never criticises the Labour Party and the Guardian is the same, although it must be noted the Guardian has become more balanced in recent years over the Iraq issue and so forth. The country could be on fire and the Daily Mirror would still be telling us to vote Labour.

[Catzsy]

I do not rubbish what left wing papers say because they are rarely quoted/used as sources on this forum, yourself and others never seem to quote the Guardian and when you do so(?) - I dont simply dismiss it as you all do but I argue my side of the debate. It seems more and more apparent nowadays in this forum that rather than wanting to comment on wasteful spending you are all so much more keen to carry with the usual 'well I knew you'd post from the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express' - instead of having a go at the paper (which I couldnt give a toss what any of you read anyway and i'm sure the same goes for myself) maybe have a go at debating against my point of the argument [provided you disagree with me] which is that this is an unacceptable waste of public finances at a time when our debt is ballooning in size.

I must say on the point of papers themselves (which the topic has now been dragged onto when it shouldnt be because they are totally irrelvant) the Telegraph, Mail and Express while obviously being biased do tend to criticise the Conservative Party more, whereas the Daily Mirror never criticises the Labour Party and the Guardian is the same, although it must be noted the Guardian has become more balanced in recent years over the Iraq issue and so forth. The country could be on fire and the Daily Mirror would still be telling us to vote Labour.

Never read The Mirror so I wouldn't know. It's usually the times or independent for me although I do browse the mail and express online. I will come back with some of your quotes about left wing papers.

[Catzsy]

Extra info - as promised some of your recent comments about The Guardian which are not too compliemtary.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...29#post6393029

I am sorry but it is the English Channel and not a pond which is there for unelected and unwanted eurocrats to rename whatever they wish. You will not find this on any European Union sites/the Guardian because it makes them look like the pathetic little Hitlers they are who cannot stand it if they dont get their own way. As a federalist yourself though, you must be very happy this 'cultural exchange' is taking place despite the fact both the majority of the French and British people do not want any of it. We need a Prime Minister who will tell this lot where to go.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...36#post6347136

How about you actually find some evidence then on Mr Wilders rather than presuming because the Guardian, the Labour Party and the UAF do not like him? - nothing he says there actually offends anyone other than radical extremists (as shown by the picture) so why on earth should he and others be prevented from airing their view because some islamic extremists dont like it and hate the notion of freedom. The muslims who do want to intergrate into this country would support & understand Wilders because most of them will have a first-hand view on radical Islam;- and the same for the ones wishing to intergrate properly into the Netherlands because as he says himself; they are welcome to. If they wish to live in a democratic and free country (as many must hence why wanting to intergrate) then they have obviously seen what parts of Islam cannot work in the western world and henceforth thats the whole reason why they dont practise those beliefs and want to intergrate.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...93#post6349993

Oh get over the Daily Mail now because you dont seem to be able to debate your point without mentioning the papers, I could go on about the Guardian all day long if I wanted to but we'd still be none the wiser. The issue at hand; the issue is not that, the issue is that people who come to Britain pretty much instantly will be able and viable to claim on the benefits system meaning people can just come in, not have to work at all and simply claim benefits.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...54#post6236954

Here we go on the newspaper stories again, if you don't like it post some Guardian stories about how Gordon Brown saved the worlds financial banking system and saved us all at Copenhagen - afterall in his own words he 'saved the world'. Meanwhile, i'd rather stick to the real world and post stories such as this which highlights and prompts debate on how our country spends its money, and even more so prompts debate about care for the elderly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Extra info - as promised some of your recent comments about The Guardian which are not too compliemtary.

If you actually read those sources properly, you'd see i'm using it as an example to get the topic away from the newspaper issue. Somebody goes 'uhh uhh Daily Mail' so I reply with one of those in which I state very clearly 'I do not bang on about the Guardian'. If you posted a topic with the main source as the Guardian I wouldnt not comment on the Guardian being your source because most of the time the source matters very little when prompting a debate about a subject and I would comment on the topic itself, not the newspaper which bears no relevance in most subjects/discussions. You yourself dont tend to go on about the papers all that often and most of the time comment on the actual topic, FlyDuo on the other hand does not and nor did you in this topic.

For example;

Oh get over the Daily Mail now because you dont seem to be able to debate your point without mentioning the papers, I could go on about the Guardian all day long if I wanted to but we'd still be none the wiser.

- I posted that because somebody (like FlyDuo and yourself) decided to have a go at the source of the thread, not the subject of the thread.

I'm not complimentary about the Guardian no, and i've never claimed to be nor ever will be because I dont agree with it. However the difference is, I dont bang on about selective journalism/the media whereas many of you (when I post a Labour-themed story) seem to only have a comment for the Daily Mail/Express or Telegraph and not the topic itself which is why many of these threads turn into a media slanting war.

[Catzsy]

If you actually read those sources properly, you'd see i'm using it as an example to get the topic away from the newspaper issue. Somebody goes 'uhh uhh Daily Mail' so I reply with one of those in which I state very clearly 'I do not bang on about the Guardian'. If you posted a topic with the main source as the Guardian I wouldnt not comment on the Guardian being your source because most of the time the source matters very little when prompting a debate about a subject. You yourself dont tend to go on about the papers and often comment on the actual topic, FlyDuo on the other hand does not and nor did you in this topic.

For example;
- I posted that because somebody (like FlyDuo and yourself) decided to have a go at the source of the thread, not the subject of the thread.

I'm not complimentary about the Guardian no, and i've never claimed to be nor ever will be because I dont agree with it. However the difference is, I dont bang on about selective journalism/the media whereas many of you (when I post a Labour-themed story) seem to only have a comment for the Daily Mail/Express or Telegraph and not the topic itself which is why many of these threads turn into a media slanting war.

Well I see your point of view but if you keep posting the right wing stories it is bound to be challenged by us because it doesn't have any balance. It would be no different if I just posted the guardian.