Google signs 20-year deal to power data centers with wind energy

[Recursion]

The problem is, people are spending the money in the wrong place... if we spent as much money on R+D of other forms of power as we do on wind turbines, we'd probably be a lot further ahead.

[Wig44.]

Oh great, looks like more money is being wasted on going 'green'. When will people realise that correlation is NOT causation? Global warming is not caused by a build up of CO2, water vapour is by far the most common 'pollutant' in the atmosphere. Indeed, cover all the reservoirs, outdoor swimming pools, rivers, ponds, lakes, and other exposed bodies of water - don't want any evaporation going up there and causing major global warming now do we?! Of course, as this heats the atmosphere, more water will evaporate leading to unstoppable global warming (unless you give some rich people even more money)!!

Maybe I'd believe in global warming if global temperatures were actually increasing constantly and not cooling. There were two periods of global warming, 1915–1945 and 1977–1998, and two periods of global cooling, 1880–1915 and 1945–1977, in the 20th century, of course I must be wrong since Al Gore says so in his political document film documentary. I must be wrong again, look at all the tampered data that has been gathered. Furthermore, it is statistically certain that if you collect enough data you could prove ANY hypothesis, even though it would be obviously refutable because the data itself refutes itself, is poor or there is a far greater wealth or data that disproves it. I could easily 'prove' that having more police in an area increases incidence of crime - when really we know that crime is higher, so more police are moved in. A bit like how temperature rises, and then CO2 levels rise.

My last point is that sudden fluctuations in the climate have been happening presumably since the earth began. There have been 10 large changes in the global climate in the past 15,000 years and 60 smaller sudden changes in the past 5000-ish years. These can be changes of 15f in a century. Also, look back at the period called Younger Dryas, 15,000 years ago the world was warming and glaciers were receding. 12,000-13,000 years ago the world started to cool intensely (Younger Dryas period) and the glaciers started advancing again. Then 1300 years later this cooling period ended with a very sudden and very intense warming period.

Sure, go ahead and buy green solutions, but remember, if you want to sell a product you have to market it. What better way than a moral panic.. and I'l leave my final point in a quote;

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L. Menken.

[Jordy]

Oh great, looks like more money is being wasted on going 'green'. When will people realise that correlation is NOT causation? Global warming is not caused by a build up of CO2, water vapour is by far the most common 'pollutant' in the atmosphere. Indeed, cover all the reservoirs, outdoor swimming pools, rivers, ponds, lakes, and other exposed bodies of water - don't want any evaporation going up there and causing major global warming now do we?! Of course, as this heats the atmosphere, more water will evaporate leading to unstoppable global warming (unless you give some rich people even more money)!!

Maybe I'd believe in global warming if global temperatures were actually increasing constantly and not cooling. There were two periods of global warming, 1915–1945 and 1977–1998, and two periods of global cooling, 1880–1915 and 1945–1977, in the 20th century, of course I must be wrong since Al Gore says so in his political document film documentary. I must be wrong again, look at all the tampered data that has been gathered. Furthermore, it is statistically certain that if you collect enough data you could prove ANY hypothesis, even though it would be obviously refutable because the data itself refutes itself, is poor or there is a far greater wealth or data that disproves it. I could easily 'prove' that having more police in an area increases incidence of crime - when really we know that crime is higher, so more police are moved in. A bit like how temperature rises, and then CO2 levels rise.

My last point is that sudden fluctuations in the climate have been happening presumably since the earth began. There have been 10 large changes in the global climate in the past 15,000 years and 60 smaller sudden changes in the past 5000-ish years. These can be changes of 15f in a century. Also, look back at the period called Younger Dryas, 15,000 years ago the world was warming and glaciers were receding. 12,000-13,000 years ago the world started to cool intensely (Younger Dryas period) and the glaciers started advancing again. Then 1300 years later this cooling period ended with a very sudden and very intense warming period.

Sure, go ahead and buy green solutions, but remember, if you want to sell a product you have to market it. What better way than a moral panic.. and I'l leave my final point in a quote;

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L. Menken.

That's a very good post and all that but fossil fuels will run out that's pretty indisputable, the alternatives need to be looked at before it's too late.

[Wig44.]

That's a very good post and all that but fossil fuels will run out that's pretty indisputable, the alternatives need to be looked at before it's too late.

Yes, but for the right reasons. People shouldn't feel bad because they are using fossil fuels. I do think alternatives are needed soon because collecting fossil fuels damages the areas it is plundered from and pollution to the environment from oil spills for example (and other shady business practices from the giants who profit from fossil fuels) are unacceptable.

[Recursion]

Oh great, looks like more money is being wasted on going 'green'. When will people realise that correlation is NOT causation? Global warming is not caused by a build up of CO2, water vapour is by far the most common 'pollutant' in the atmosphere. Indeed, cover all the reservoirs, outdoor swimming pools, rivers, ponds, lakes, and other exposed bodies of water - don't want any evaporation going up there and causing major global warming now do we?! Of course, as this heats the atmosphere, more water will evaporate leading to unstoppable global warming (unless you give some rich people even more money)!!

Water vapour is in no way the cause of "global warning", just no.

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

[Apolva]

Oh great, looks like more money is being wasted on going 'green'.

Climate change isn't the only problem with our traditional ways of creating energy. For example, we're burning our finite supply of oil for energy when it could be better used to create plastics, etc.

[Wig44.]

Water vapour is in no way the cause of "global warning", just no.

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

I was being sarcastic. The point is, water vapour is the most populous element in the atmosphere which contributes to the green house effect (which is negligible).

[Recursion]

Ah ok, just fyi, it's hard to detect sarcasm on the internet. LOL

[Agnostic Bear]

Nuclear power is the way forward. What google are doing is stupid and costs too much money. Nuclear power is very clean and extremely safe. The bad events you hear of are mainly from the east, not the west. And when they're from the west it was in the infancy of knowing just wtf to do, we have stricter regulations and a far, far better safety record than ever. We're going forward into the future and the sooner we get nuclear power the better.

[Firehorse]

snm.