What we need in 2011 is an opposition

[Jordy]

What are you talking about? Not everybody who has money in Britain has earned that money, people inherit it. Cameron's farther was/is a stockbroker and much of his fathers family is too i believe, so it's very much a wealthy family he was born into. David Cameron hasn't earned all the wealth he's ever had at all - to say he has and that other rich people have, is very silly.
It's common fact that David Cameron and all these other politicians (who quite can't frankly, don't do squat) won't really feel any different due to these cuts, it's the normal working people like myself and my family that will feel these cuts not snotty, forty faced, slimey British politicians.

Well what's the point in getting rich if everytime the government gets in debt they'd rob it all off you?

David Cameron might not of done much to gain his wealth other than being born into it, but how does that make the money not his? Because it's certainly not the state's for sure. Would you advocate something where when you die, your wealth goes to the state?

[Nationalism]

Well what's the point in getting rich if everytime the government gets in debt they'd rob it all off you?

David Cameron might not of done much to gain his wealth other than being born into it, but how does that make the money not his? Because it's certainly not the state's for sure. Would you advocate something where when you die, your wealth goes to the state?

Absolutely not, i am totally against the state getting a deceased persons wealth, all money left behind should defiantly stay within the family.
I am not saying that the government should take money off deceased persons nor am i saying that Cameron isn't entitled to his own money and the money he has been born into.
I am saying, however, that he shouldn't be making such propaganda as "we are in this together", when he certainly is not - it's me and you, the ordinary British public who aren't rich or at least aren't on par with his wealth, that are "in this together".
When your born into wealth with a farther who is a stockbroker, you go to private school for education and haven't done much to earn your money, then you cannot go around the country claiming that "we are in this together" without making hard working, proud British citizens angry.

[Jordy]

Absolutely not, i am totally against the state getting a deceased persons wealth, all money left behind should defiantly stay within the family.
I am not saying that the government should take money off deceased persons nor am i saying that Cameron isn't entitled to his own money and the money he has been born into.
I am saying, however, that he shouldn't be making such propaganda as "we are in this together", when he certainly is not - it's me and you, the ordinary British public who aren't rich or at least aren't on par with his wealth, that are "in this together".
When your born into wealth with a farther who is a stockbroker, you go to private school for education and haven't done much to earn your money, then you cannot go around the country claiming that "we are in this together" without making hard working, proud British citizens angry.

I wouldn't go as far as describing it as propaganda but "The vast majority of us are in this together" doesn't sound quite as good. I suppose it is somewhat hypocritical but we mostly are all going to suffer from the cuts except a few. He's risked his political career for it at least, if he fails to sort the deficit there's no way he'll have success in the next election.

[Nationalism]

I wouldn't go as far as describing it as propaganda but "The vast majority of us are in this together" doesn't sound quite as good. I suppose it is somewhat hypocritical but we mostly are all going to suffer from the cuts except a few. He's risked his political career for it at least, if he fails to sort the deficit there's no way he'll have success in the next election.

It is propaganda, it's information which he is spreading to help the cause of his popularity and to gain the British trust and to help the likeliness of us voting for him in another/next election. I know what your saying though, and i agree with you on your last point. He is defiantly a hypocrite when he can go home and tuck into a freshly made spot of supper from his personal chef while people up and down the country and struggling to feed their children's mouths, let alone their own. That to me, doesn't sound like we're all in it together.

[Jordy]

It is propaganda, it's information which he is spreading to help the cause of his popularity and to gain the British trust and to help the likeliness of us voting for him in another/next election. I know what your saying though, and i agree with you on your last point. He is defiantly a hypocrite when he can go home and tuck into a freshly made spot of supper from his personal chef while people up and down the country and struggling to feed their children's mouths, let alone their own. That to me, doesn't sound like we're all in it together.

I really wouldn't go as far as describing it as propaganda. You could argue that he'll be hit by the VAT increase for instance so technically we all are in it together. It shouldn't be taken so literally though, as we can't literally all be "in" something, nor can everybody in the country - we - apply to everything.

[Nationalism]

I really wouldn't go as far as describing it as propaganda. You could argue that he'll be hit by the VAT increase for instance so technically we all are in it together. It shouldn't be taken so literally though, as we can't literally all be "in" something, nor can everybody in the country - we - apply to everything.

It is propaganda, whether you want to admit it or not.

- Information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause.

Source: wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

- Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

The reaction he wants you to have is to believe this government will work, that this government is riding the cut backs out with you and that government officials are in the same financial boat as you, when in-fact they're not.
They can go home and have spectacular food made for them in a few minutes, whereas normal working class British citizens are going to work for their food. I know the VAT doesn't effect the price of food, but that's just an example.

[Jordy]

It is propaganda, whether you want to admit it or not.

- Information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause.

Source: wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

- Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

The reaction he wants you to have is to believe this government will work, that this government is riding the cut backs out with you and that government officials are in the same financial boat as you, when in-fact they're not.
They can go home and have spectacular food made for them in a few minutes, whereas normal working class British citizens are going to work for their food. I know the VAT doesn't effect the price of food, but that's just an example.

Of course he wants you to believe the government will work that's not propaganda. He's not going to say it's unlikely the government will change much and we'll probably be in even more debt by the end of it. No where does he say government officials are in the same financial boat as everyone else as he'd be stupid to considering the number of millionaires in the cabinet. "We are in it together" should not be taken so literally, the vast majority of us are in it together, of course there will always be exceptions.

[Nationalism]

Of course he wants you to believe the government will work that's not propaganda. He's not going to say it's unlikely the government will change much and we'll probably be in even more debt by the end of it. No where does he say government officials are in the same financial boat as everyone else as he'd be stupid to considering the number of millionaires in the cabinet. "We are in it together" should not be taken so literally, the vast majority of us are in it together, of course there will always be exceptions.

It's still propaganda, governments have been using propaganda for hundreds of years.

[Jordy]

It's still propaganda, governments have been using propaganda for hundreds of years.

It really isn't widespread. By that reckoning all TV commercials are propaganda (There are some people who believe that is the case). For instance it can be defined as "The word propaganda refers to any technique that attempts to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes, or behavior of a group in order to benefit the sponsor." - Which I believe is how you're defining it.

Whilst Wikipedia calls it a form of Communication, it then lists examples such as during World War II and during the Cold War, not 21st century governments; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

[Technologic]

Recession = cuts. Deal with it.