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    Quote Originally Posted by Catzsy View Post
    Totally wrong impression of Tony Blair again. He knew exactly who he was dealing with and was the only person that persuaded Gadaffi to give up his WMD and let the inspectors in. You going to criticise this too?. This guy has been in power under successive governments and I thought you were the last person to agree to invade a country purely for a 'regime' change. Tell me is Iran a better country since the Shar went or is it just the same oppressive one party state? It is worrying that they have been threatened with military action so soon.
    Antony Blair does not believe in freedom and democracy across the world hence his support for dictators such as Gaddafi (of which Peter Mandelson was also very close to his son). If he really did believe in democracy/freedom for the Arab world, he would not support the likes of Gaddafi and would order immediate military action/cut off all links with these people. But as usual, its only anti-western regimes which take a hit to the stomach because they won't do our bidding (such as have U.S. military bases on their soil). If you want to police the world and preach freedom/democracy then you cannot just target anti-western regimes. Why do you think we are so hated Rosie? because we are hypocrites.

    I didn't agree with regime change and I still don't, i'm not arguing for us to invade Libya I am arguing against it. And as for Iran, like it or not the Iranian government does appear to be elected (also done by western polling organisations) see here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian..._Organizations

    I'd also add, if we do invade - I look forward to seeing you signing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catzsy View Post
    Totally wrong impression of Tony Blair again. He knew exactly who he was dealing with and was the only person that persuaded Gadaffi to give up his WMD and let the inspectors in. You going to criticise this too?. This guy has been in power under successive governments and I thought you were the last person to agree to invade a country purely for a 'regime' change. Tell me is Iran a better country since the Shar went or is it just the same oppressive one party state? It is worrying that they have been threatened with military action so soon.
    Blair = War criminal. No questions.

    But until now Gadaffi has been fairly popular and as stated Libya has been prosperous. However if the people want him out, who are we to say no? It had nothing to do with Blair - the people were happy with Gadaffi, Blair has no part in this. But now the people are not, they want him out, and that seems to be for the best considering Gadaffi is so disillusioned, saying his people love him.

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    Did you write the sentence below the picture? If so, lol at calling Tony Blair Antony. Just because no one ever, ever calls him by his whole name.

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    I think we should keep our noses out - I couldn't give two ***** if Libya is in trouble to be honest - why not sort out this country and give the military (more specifically the RAF) the money and equipment they need, before spending loads on something THAT DOES NOT AFFECT US.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milestone
    Did you write the sentence below the picture? If so, lol at calling Tony Blair Antony. Just because no one ever, ever calls him by his whole name.
    I refuse to call him by his PR-introduced name, remember 'Call me Tone' - no thanks Antony. I just find the man and his inner circle repulsive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milestone
    I think we should keep our noses out - I couldn't give two ***** if Libya is in trouble to be honest - why not sort out this country and give the military (more specifically the RAF) the money and equipment they need, before spending loads on something THAT DOES NOT AFFECT US.
    Amen to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative, View Post
    if the people want him out, who are we to say no?
    Who are we to say anything :S it's not our country. People here didn't like Brown being in charge but we didn't expect the armed forces of other countries to come in and destroy the place

    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I refuse to call him by his PR-introduced name, remember 'Call me Tone' - no thanks Antony. I just find the man and his inner circle repulsive.
    Was he ever referred to as Antony before his campaigns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingJesus View Post
    Who are we to say anything :S it's not our country. People here didn't like Brown being in charge but we didn't expect the armed forces of other countries to come in and destroy the place



    Was he ever referred to as Antony before his campaigns?
    A) As much I'd love to be able to say he was - he wasn't a dictator clinging on to power.
    B) We didn't start a revolution to get him out.
    C) If we did - the USA probably would've helped if big names called for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Antony Blair does not believe in freedom and democracy across the world hence his support for dictators such as Gaddafi (of which Peter Mandelson was also very close to his son). If he really did believe in democracy/freedom for the Arab world, he would not support the likes of Gaddafi and would order immediate military action/cut off all links with these people. But as usual, its only anti-western regimes which take a hit to the stomach because they won't do our bidding (such as have U.S. military bases on their soil). If you want to police the world and preach freedom/democracy then you cannot just target anti-western regimes. Why do you think we are so hated Rosie? because we are hypocrites.

    I didn't agree with regime change and I still don't, i'm not arguing for us to invade Libya I am arguing against it. And as for Iran, like it or not the Iranian government does appear to be elected (also done by western polling organisations) see here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian..._Organizations

    I'd also add, if we do invade - I look forward to seeing you signing up.
    If you feel that Iran is an democracy then so be it. I don't. It's people are totally oppressed Please also don't use silly arguments that if I agree with invasion I should sign up. That is just so crass and naive and comments like that belong in the playground. So are you saying that Tony Blair didn't persuade Gadaffi to give up WMD and let the inspectors in? As you say you find him 'repulsive' and don't give him credit for anything. Luckily lots of other people do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    So you'd be prepared to go and fight in Iraq/Afghanistan am I right?

    A war is only worth it if you are willing to go yourself and in the knowledge that you may die in the process.

    And also, in terms of getting rid of dictators - China next then boys? (oh no I forgot, China can defend itself and give us a smack in the face back!)



    Are you planning to sign up anytime soon?

    I'm always amazed that the people wanting to go sorting the business of other countries are the ones who happen not to be in the armed forces themselves/have their lines put on the line - why should we police the world, thats one of the exact reasons why 9/11 occured in the first place because the United States has military bases all over the world to sustain its 'empire'.

    But morals aside also on whether you think we should or shouldn't, face the fact; the west cannot afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catzsy View Post
    If you feel that Iran is an democracy then so be it. I don't. It's people are totally oppressed Please also don't use silly arguments that if I agree with invasion I should sign up. That is just so crass and naive and comments like that belong in the playground. So are you saying that Tony Blair didn't persuade Gadaffi to give up WMD and let the inspectors in? As you say you find him 'repulsive' and don't give him credit for anything. Luckily lots of other people do.
    Tony Blair is repulsive. I was too young to remember him persuading Gadaffi to give up WMD or letting inspectors but doesn't change the fact Tony Blair is a war criminal and I don't trust anything him or his supporters say.

    I agree with you on Iran though. But it IS democratically elected, it is still a total state of oppression and I think that their leader (his name has escaped my mind) should be removed from power. He is a lunatic. But it doesn't change the fact he is democratically elected and therefore he is actually legitimately there, unless it can be proven he used force to win the election, which I doubt it can be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen! View Post
    Robbieg is always prepared.. I just need to fit those turrets onto his wheelchair though
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    Yay, another war we pointlessly enter into! Aren't the Libyans dealing with already? The civilians tends to be taking over towns quicker than what any military action could do. The US and the UK should keep their greasy hands away from action that doesn't concern them.

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