Should we take a tougher stance to combat online copyright? [ENDS 05/02/2012]

[-:Undertaker:-]

Let me get this straight, everyone on here agrees that internet meddling by the government is unacceptable but..

Government can feel you up at the airport in the name of security, which is a sham.
Government can hold your fingerprints even when you haven't been found guilty of any crime.
Government can hold you for weeks without charge under the guise of terrorism.
Government can introduce ID cards whilst people defend it under the guise of 'if your not guilty you have nothing to hide'
Government can tell you whether to allow smoking in a building that you own, fining you if you do not follow this draconian law.
Government can force you as a small business owner to install lifts, fire exists and other costly planning regulations on a building that you own.
Government can compulsory purchase the land you own against your wishes, suggesting you didn't own it in the first place (see High Speed Rail).
Government [namely the EU] can cart you off to a country like Greece or Romania without evidence being provided under the EAW.

Where were all the people in this thread when all our other civil liberties were being destroyed? either they didn't care or they went out of their way to defend the actions of the government.

..what goes around comes around people - if you defended one of the above at any time then you deserve to have your internet freedoms taken away, just as you supported doing to others.

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Let me get this straight, everyone on here agrees that internet meddling by the government is unacceptable but..

Government can feel you up at the airport in the name of security, which is a sham.
Government can hold your fingerprints even when you haven't been found guilty of any crime.
Government can hold you for weeks without charge under the guise of terrorism.
Government can introduce ID cards whilst people defend it under the guise of 'if your not guilty you have nothing to hide'
Government can tell you whether to allow smoking in a building that you own, fining you if you do not follow this draconian law.
Government can force you as a small business owner to install lifts, fire exists and other costly planning regulations on a building that you own.
Government can compulsory purchase the land you own against your wishes, suggesting you didn't own it in the first place (see High Speed Rail).
Government [namely the EU] can cart you off to a country like Greece or Romania without evidence being provided under the EAW.

Where were all the people in this thread when all our other civil liberties were being destroyed? either they didn't care or they went out of their way to defend the actions of the government.

..what goes around comes around people - if you defended one of the above at any time then you deserve to have your internet freedoms taken away, just as you supported doing to others.

I don't think you quite understand the ramifications of governments messing with the internet, both from a technical standpoint and a freedom one.

Would you also drop the **** about smoking in public places? It's perfectly acceptable to expect to be able to walk into a bar without having to walk back out with your chance of getting lung cancer significantly increased.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't think you quite understand the ramifications of governments messing with the internet, both from a technical standpoint and a freedom one.

I don't support internet regulation in the slightest, I just love making the internet warriors squirm when I point out that they do not care in the slightest about freedom, which brings me onto...

Would you also drop the **** about smoking in public places? It's perfectly acceptable to expect to be able to walk into a bar without having to walk back out with your chance of getting lung cancer significantly increased.

Its not reasonable to 'expect' anything from a bar or club building that you do not own, if you dont like it then do not go there - freedom, as you say above but don't really mean.

Freedom isn't a term you can simply use to back up your own arguments but then drop on other issues which you may not like.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'd also just like to add this quickly, which I didn't do justice on..

don't think you quite understand the ramifications of governments messing with the internet

On the contrary, I am the one on this forum who argues most and who argues consistently about the ramifications of government removing freedoms in the name of security and safety whereas people such as yourself, for example, only do so when an issue you care about is under threat. The government is only using the same arguments on internet regulation as you lot use to justify stripping others of their freedoms.