US Presidential Elections 2012

[-:Undertaker:-]

The fact that 17 people on this forum have picked one man over another based on personality shows just why we are in the mess we are. When are people going to take notice and stop voting based on a) what they sound like when they deliever an empty speech & b) what promises they make in the run up to election ... and start making a choice based on voting records? I just don't understand it.

Both of these candidates had the same sponsers and the same policies - the status quo wins of more debt, more war and more state whilst we all lose.

[Grig]

The fact that 17 people on this forum have picked one man over another based on personality shows just why we are in the mess we are. When are people going to take notice and stop voting based on a) what they sound like when they deliever an empty speech & b) what promises they make in the run up to election ... and start making a choice based on voting records? I just don't understand it.

Both of these candidates had the same sponsers and the same policies - the status quo wins of more debt, more war and more state whilst we all lose.

You know what also annoyed me is people on FB having no knowledge whatsoever and saying "woo Obama" or "Thank God Obama".

It won't matter.

[lawrawrrr]

What annoys ME most is people in the UK saying that the American president doesn't affect them at all. Yeah there might not have been much difference policy-wise; but HOW they present them is crucial.

Even in the UK we don't really have a choice (although it seems like we do); it's a choice between one Eton-educated toff or another Eton-educated toff. It's just the way they present themselves. Romney made a few massive ****-ups along the way, that's why he lost.

[Grig]

What annoys ME most is people in the UK saying that the American president doesn't affect them at all. Yeah there might not have been much difference policy-wise; but HOW they present them is crucial.

Even in the UK we don't really have a choice (although it seems like we do); it's a choice between one Eton-educated toff or another Eton-educated toff. It's just the way they present themselves. Romney made a few massive ****-ups along the way, that's why he lost.

That's silly, you can't base a loss on some "massive ****-ups". It was a much more complex interplay of factors than that.

You guys in the UK should be worried about your dummy, Mr. Cameron flying to Syria to try drum up support for the opposition. Yet, even America and France have more or less given up.

[lawrawrrr]

That's silly, you can't base a loss on some "massive ****-ups". It was a much more complex interplay of factors than that.

You guys in the UK should be worried about your dummy, Mr. Cameron flying to Syria to try drum up support for the opposition. Yet, even America and France have more or less given up.

Sorry for not using so complex terminology, but everyone knows the main factors - I didn't think I'd have to spell it out. He made some mistakes - during the campaign trail and before. Even his adverts on TV were god-awful (talking about how many companies he'd driven into the ground, but it's okay because he made the big companies even bigger).

I don't really understand what you mean with the second bit at all. Not really massively 'in' to UK politics, all I know is the 2 main parties don't really have a solid policy between them. Well, not one that's been effective and actually implemented anyway.

[Grig]

Sorry for not using so complex terminology, but everyone knows the main factors - I didn't think I'd have to spell it out. He made some mistakes - during the campaign trail and before. Even his adverts on TV were god-awful (talking about how many companies he'd driven into the ground, but it's okay because he made the big companies even bigger).

I don't really understand what you mean with the second bit at all. Not really massively 'in' to UK politics, all I know is the 2 main parties don't really have a solid policy between them. Well, not one that's been effective and actually implemented anyway.

I wasn't mocking your remark, I was echoing the point that you saying he mucked up is a huge understatement to simply say he mucked up so he lost.

And Obama's TV ads were better? LOL, nice joke. His were also cynical and aggressive with no solid policies.

[lawrawrrr]

I wasn't mocking your remark, I was echoing the point that you saying he mucked up is a huge understatement to simply say he mucked up so he lost.

And Obama's TV ads were better? LOL, nice joke. His were also cynical and aggressive with no solid policies.

Well he did muck up in a big way, so he lost, can't really put it any other way. It's not like he's lost anything else though, seeing as he had nothing anyway.

Yes they were actually, you don't put massive policies in TV adverts, you just need to make them persuasive and with *just* enough information to not be called useless. All US politicians adverts are cynical and aggressive so there's no point attacking Obama for that.

[Grig]

Well he did muck up in a big way, so he lost, can't really put it any other way. It's not like he's lost anything else though, seeing as he had nothing anyway.

Yes they were actually, you don't put massive policies in TV adverts, you just need to make them persuasive and with *just* enough information to not be called useless. All US politicians adverts are cynical and aggressive so there's no point attacking Obama for that.

Obama was the worst culprit. His were plain old attacks. No idea why you're trying to defend Obama when you yourself probably know very little about his politics and what he'll do going forward.

It wasn't him alone who mucked up. He flip-flopped, but the Republican Party itself helped him to lose. I can reply here more extensively of some other factors if you like.

Let me re-direct you to what Dan said earlier on here:

The fact that 17 people on this forum have picked one man over another based on personality shows just why we are in the mess we are.

and this is exactly why. It's darn right foolish. You seem to be repeating the same point without backing yourself up.

[Red]

The fact that 17 people on this forum have picked one man over another based on personality shows just why we are in the mess we are. When are people going to take notice and stop voting based on a) what they sound like when they deliever an empty speech & b) what promises they make in the run up to election ... and start making a choice based on voting records? I just don't understand it.

Both of these candidates had the same sponsers and the same policies - the status quo wins of more debt, more war and more state whilst we all lose.

Most people on here are from the UK though and haven't followed the election so of course they are going to base their decisions on personality. Obama presidency hasn't made me think what an absolute idiot like I did for Bush, but if I was American and was voting, I would have followed the debates etc to make an informed decision.

[xxMATTGxx]

Anyone who questions or jokes about why windows don't open on passenger jets is going to lose.