Local Elections 2013

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't understand why the leaflet through my door referred to wanting to leave Europe - as shown in previous threads, voters don't care about Europe, but the actual point I am making is that they should be talking about local issues in a pamphlet.

And also, I would put money on the fact that every person I know who voted UKIP would have no idea about what they stand for.

In fairness, the UKIP tedious is far less tedious than the Labour and Conservative ones that spend 400 words badmouthing the other!

I myself and I think Farage very much does too, see UKIP as a vechicle for keeping the issue on the agenda aswell - much like the way Ron Paul in the states constantly talks about the monetary system and Federal Reserve; to 'wake people up' so to speak. They're not the most exciting issues to talk about, and so it falls to people to keep them in the public sphere in any way possible - UKIP have done a pretty good job at it as has Ron Paul.. take myself for example, had it not been for him I wouldn't have any knowledge or interest of the monetary system.

But i'd partly agree on some of the leaflets I see produced, I could do a much better job at one than some of the ones i've seen.

[Kardan]

Just a quick question, if UKIP won the general election and held a referendum on Europe and we decided to stay in the EU, what is UKIP's main policy then? (I'm assuming they would hold a referendum - are they allowed to.leave the EU without one?)

[Chippiewill]

UKIP would take the general election as to be the referendum I imagine.

[BlooBanana]

(Maybe a little bit personal but..) I'm from South Shields and the place has always been a labour town, for obvious reasons. I drove home from uni to see my parents and vote myself. The street was plagued with UKIP reps, most of which were youths who didn't move out of my cars way until they gave me a leaflet :/. There was quite a few banners and posts outside people's doors advertising the fact that they were voting UKIP, I was so shocked to say the least. I was just talking to someone saying they don't stand a chance because of how popular labour are there. Maybe it's because David stepped down and Emma, who no-one has ever heard of until everyone got flooded by leaflets, took over. Although she seems lovely, she stopped and asked me a few questions in town last saturday, but I can't help but think she's another person filling me with empty promises and maybe I should of voted UKIP as fresh starts are sometimes a good thing? I personally can't wait to the election next year, get that prissy boy demoted of his title .

[Ardemax]

Just a quick question, if UKIP won the general election and held a referendum on Europe and we decided to stay in the EU, what is UKIP's main policy then? (I'm assuming they would hold a referendum - are they allowed to.leave the EU without one?)

Couldn't they just scrap the law that binds us to political union with Europe?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just a quick question, if UKIP won the general election and held a referendum on Europe and we decided to stay in the EU, what is UKIP's main policy then? (I'm assuming they would hold a referendum - are they allowed to.leave the EU without one?)

Assuming they have a referendum and say it did fail - then something like that would bring down the Government. In much a similar way that had Labour lost the House of Commons vote on the Iraq War, the government would have collapsed.

Of course if UKIP were in government and did hold a referendum, the chances of the referendum failing would be much reduced - their victory would have utterly shattered the pro-EU forces, and i'd assume the government would stop the European Commission pouring millions into the campaign as they did in Ireland with the Lisbon Treaty (both times).

The referendum we had in the 1970s for example was a complete set up, the government said in the pamphlets it delievered to each and every household that it wasn't about political union and wouldn't involve any loss of sovereignty - it was merely a common market. A total lie of course, as Edward Heath admitted years later.

Peter Sissons: The single currency, a United States of Europe, was all that in your mind when you took Britain in?

Edward Heath: Of course, yes.

This appears to be (havent read it all yet) a good brief outline with info on the 1970s referendum if anyone is interested. It shows how the government published information for public consumption that totally contradicted its own briefings on the implications of membership.

I expect the same will happen again. Luckily though, the pro-independence side is more organised this time.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Couldn't they just scrap the law that binds us to political union with Europe?

For the process to be legal and go smoothly, you have to activate Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. Make no mistake about it, the process of leaving will be very complex and will take a number of years given the scale of how many powers have been transferred to Brussels.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the...rticle-50.html