John Lewis's new line of hijabs to wear at SCHOOL

[Jssy]

I think you're being a bit over the top in all honesty. You can't class the minority as the majority. Its an item of clothing at the end of the day and those who choose to wear it will and those who don't want to wear it won't. I'm a Christian but everyone regardless of culture/religion or even purely own choice has the freedom to wear what they wish to.

[Sticky-Note]

Because I make the suggestion that people coming to settle in another country conform and respect the customs and laws of that country?

Honestly, in a sense that was a bit of a silly comment.

The thing about religion is it is a personal thing. Someone can be born in your country and still follow religions from other countries. Unless you are forcing it on others it is a PERSONAL thing. Segregating people further helps nothing and can cause wars because like you and me everyone wants their freedom. I say you sound like Hitler because you are being extremely egotistical and as The Don said, very ignorant.

[The Don]

Work it out yourself.

You made the thread with a clear intention, what was it?

Another hugely ironic comment from somebody who bends over backwards to defend Islamic culture.

Defending the right for people to wear what they like is stirring up prejudice? Oh how ironic indeed.

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Did I suggest such a thing in this thread?

Yeh, you said "If somebody wishes to live here, then they should be expected to do so on the basis that they will integrate with the native culture and/or customs." Implying that if somebody want to wear a hijab or dress alternatively in a way that differs from your skewed, archaic idea of what Britain is then they should be kicked out of the country. Better start deporting all the goths, hipsters, chavs or anyone that doesn't wear cloth tunics and fur cloaks.

I don't accept multiculturalism within borders, correct - because that is why borders exist with good reason.

Yet you want Scotland to stay in the UK in the coming referendum, the irony is too much.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The thing about religion is it is a personal thing. Someone can be born in your country and still follow religions from other countries. Unless you are forcing it on others it is a PERSONAL thing. Segregating people further helps nothing and can cause wars because like you and me everyone wants their freedom. I say you sound like Hitler because you are being extremely egotistical and as The Don said, very ignorant.

Did I or have I ever suggested that immigrants should be forced to change their religion as a requirement of citizenship?

I don't recall that I did, and yet I am the one sitting here being accused of ignorance.

You made the thread with a clear intention, what was it?

To stimulate a debate on immigration and integration, as always.

Defending the right for people to wear what they like is stirring up prejudice? Oh how ironic indeed.

Defending the liberty to wear whatever one wishes without state interference is one thing, agreeing with the clothing itself and pretending that the item is good for society and doesn't get in the way of integration is another thing.

Yeh, you said "If somebody wishes to live here, then they should be expected to do so on the basis that they will integrate with the native culture and/or customs." Implying that if somebody want to wear a hijab or dress alternatively in a way that differs from your skewed, archaic idea of what Britain is then they should be kicked out of the country. Better start deporting all the goths, hipsters, chavs or anyone that doesn't wear cloth tunics and fur cloaks.

As I said earlier on, you're a quisling and a self-loather through and through.

I believe Britain should have a culture with values, you believe it shouldn't be anything other than separate ghettos. It's really that simple, isn't it?

Yet you want Scotland to stay in the UK in the coming referendum, the irony is too much.

Have I not said numerous times that I support the right of Scotland to break away? Have I not also said that the debate should be focused more on what the Scottish people identify with culturally rather than economic arguments? Have I not also said that it's my belief that Scotland and the rest of Britain are culturally compatible enough to exist within the same political and legal union whereas say the North Sudan and the South Sudan were not?

Did I say all of that or what? Or are you just ignoring all of that clear and concise logic in order to score cheap points?

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Did I or have I ever suggested that immigrants should be forced to change their religion as a requirement of citizenship?

I don't recall that I did, and yet I am the one sitting here being accused of ignorance.



To stimulate a debate on immigration and integration, as always.



Defending the liberty to wear whatever one wishes without state interference is one thing, agreeing with the clothing itself and pretending that the item is good for society and doesn't get in the way of integration is another thing.



As I said earlier on, you're a quisling and a self-loather through and through.



Have I not said numerous times that I support the right of Scotland to break away? Have I not also said that the debate should be focused more on what the Scottish people identify with culturally rather than economic arguments? Have I not also said that it's my belief that Scotland and the rest of Britain are culturally compatible enough to exist within the same political and legal union whereas say the North Sudan and the South Sudan were not?

Did I say all of that or what? Or are you just ignoring all of that clear and concise logic in order to score cheap points?

You are complaining of people wearing religious based clothing in your country. I never stated you said they can't follow their own religions, I simply said if anyone can follow that religion they also have the freedom to wear what they want. My point was that someone who is born in the UK can wear a hijab. It is not only people from that country that follow those customs, you don't seem to understand that.

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It is an ENTIRE country. You are extremely narrow-minded if you think every single person who was born in the UK follows the same customs.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You are complaining of people wearing religious based clothing in your country. I never stated you said they can't follow their own religions, I simply said if anyone can follow that religion they also have the freedom to wear what they want. My point was that someone who is born in the UK can wear a hijab. It is not only people from that country that follow those customs, you don't seem to understand that.

I haven't said that people should convert religion on coming to the UK.
I haven't said that the law/state should be used to force people to dress a certain way.

Most of the ire directed at me from yourself and others seems to be on the basis of what I haven't even said rather than what I have said.

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I haven't said that people should convert religion on coming to the UK.
I haven't said that the law/state should be used to force people to dress a certain way.

Most of the ire directed at me from yourself and others seems to be on the basis of what I haven't even said rather than what I have said.

You said that you want people who move to the country to convert to your own customs.
As I said before: It is an ENTIRE country. You are extremely narrow-minded if you think every single person who was born in the UK follows the same customs.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You said that you want people who move to the country to convert to your own customs.
As I said before: It is an ENTIRE country. You are extremely narrow-minded if you think every single person who was born in the UK follows the same customs.

I believe they should make an effort to integrate and become broadly a part of the same country and culture, absolutely.

Does that make me a Nazi as you claimed earlier or does that just make me sane and rational?

[FlyingJesus]

Another company to add to my boycott list

But I thought company boycotts were the work of the devil, or is that only if it's people who don't look like you doing it?

Like it or not, it's MY country and i'll insist on having MY customs followed

Actually no it isn't, and congratulations on finally admitting that you want to force certain customs on people based on nothing but your idea of what a person ought to look and sound like. This is truly a fantastic quote

15th century clothing ... is just fine in 2014 ... when it's Islam of course

The oldest example of a linen shirt is around 5,000 years old, and there is evidence that people wore trousers as much as 50,000 years ago although admittedly the first truly recorded manufacture of them is dated to the 6th Century. I take it you are staunchly against such hideously outdated modes of attire, or is the reality of the matter (as usual) the exact opposite of what you're stating whereby it's only those related to Islam in some way which are undesirable?

I don't like it and neither do the majority of Britons.

IF I DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN'T

garment that treats women as private property

Not the case, especially with a mere hijab. You'd do well to actually read about these things before frothing at the mouth over a garment that only covers the head - something which Christian women are also supposed to wear with regards to Biblical law, incidentally

Because I make the suggestion that people coming to settle in another country conform and respect the customs and laws of that country?

You don't suggest, you demand, and as usual you ignore the fact that customs (laws aren't applicable here since it's not illegal to wear a hat or scarf) change constantly. You not liking it does not make it any less of a fact no matter how angry a piece of fabric that hides one's hair makes you

[Sticky-Note]

I believe they should make an effort to integrate and become broadly a part of the same country and culture, absolutely.

Does that make me a Nazi as you claimed earlier or does that just make me sane and rational?

You are tossing around the idea of revoking other peoples freedom. Deny it all you want it is pretty clear what is happening here. I would agree with you IF they were trying to force THEIR customs on you, but they aren't. So just leave them alone lol. Again I repeat, not everyone born and raised in the UK follows the same culture so you're still creating the idea of a majority which you have nothing to back up on. Going to say this one more time: stop creating a stereotype for an entire country because it just isn't like that.