Whats one of your unpopular opinions

[The Don]

The NHS has also delievered me, my three siblings and all sorts for my family members. But that doesn't mean I will worship it like a sacred cow if there's better ways of doing things. There were hospitals that delievered babies and saved lives before the NHS, and there will be hospitals delivering babies and saving lives long after the NHS has gone.

Could you please point out real world examples then?

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just because we have AI doesnt mean we will replace humans with it on a large scale

When AI technology becomes cheaper and better than human labour why on earth wouldn't it replace humans? You don't have robots calling in sick, going on maternity leave or asking for pay rises. It's inevitable.

[-:Undertaker:-]

well i need more explanation. nhs has done more than help my mum give birth, its saved someones life and given others life saving surgery and what i need to know, is this free market going to allow us to afford rehab and therapy that my brother needs for the rest of his life? i know the nhs is going to be able to so im fine to stick with that

You'd probably get a better deal with whatever insurance as you'd have more choice of what therapy courses/what to pay.

[scottish]

In a real free market system, the laws of competition force companies to lower prices in order to compete. In a highly corporate system such as America or a state-run corporate system like the NHS, there is no competition and companies can then charge whatever they want.



Corporations set the price in the NHS, infact even more so because under a government-run healthcare system (or any system for that matter) you have companies which are able to charge the government whatever they wish for things such as rubber gloves, building contracts and so forth.... and the government stupidly pays them because the government hasn't got to worry about running a tight budget as it will simply tax everybody to get that money back.

Realistically in the UK we're not going to have 20 different medical corporations trying to compete, we'd have maybe 2-3 at max.

Sure they do, they set the price for the NHS which is then paid for in tax revenues and not by yourself when you go in after a broken leg and have a $5,000 bill. If they can charge whatever they want then the government should sort out their contracts and find other providers rather than 'paying whatever' for them. That's something that can be easily solved by the government should they wish to do so.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Could you please point out real world examples then?

The pre-NHS system was pretty good and was used as a model for Canada back around the war so I have read in the past, and the older American system was pretty good too which is why America had some of the best care in the world. Sadly the whole world is now moving more and more towards state intervention in healthcare, but especially regarding corporate healthcare: including the NHS (see PFI schemes etc).

[The Don]

In a real free market system, the laws of competition force companies to lower prices in order to compete. In a highly corporate system such as America or a state-run corporate system like the NHS, there is no competition and companies can then charge whatever they want.



Corporations set the price in the NHS, infact even more so because under a government-run healthcare system (or any system for that matter) you have companies which are able to charge the government whatever they wish for things such as rubber gloves, building contracts and so forth.... and the government stupidly pays them because the government hasn't got to worry about running a tight budget as it will simply tax everybody to get that money back.

Yeah because corporations will not possibly collude with each other without government interference.

[buttons]

'more choice on what to pay' but we cant afford anything ?

[scottish]

Could you please point out real world examples then?

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When AI technology becomes cheaper and better than human labour why on earth wouldn't it replace humans? You don't have robots calling in sick, going on maternity leave or asking for pay rises. It's inevitable.

Easier to program humans than it is AI for more dynamic workplaces (i.e. I need you to go do that today), and we'd have millions of humans hired to build the AI

[Kyle]

Could you please point out real world examples then?

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When AI technology becomes cheaper and better than human labour why on earth wouldn't it replace humans? You don't have robots calling in sick, going on maternity leave or asking for pay rises. It's inevitable.

because it makes more sense (economically and otherwise) to keep people in their jobs and homes. mass unemployment would be careless imo!

[The Don]

Easier to program humans than it is AI for more dynamic workplaces (i.e. I need you to go do that today), and we'd have millions of humans hired to build the AI

Of course there will be more people programming them but nowhere near enough to offset all the workers lost from the industries that have been replaced.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I said it was an unpopular opinion.

Realistically in the UK we're not going to have 20 different medical corporations trying to compete, we'd have maybe 2-3 at max.

Not at all, 70 million is a huge market.

It all depends on how regulated a system is by the state, the more regulation the less companies you'll have which is why so many corporations in any field (not just healthcare) always lobby the government for more regulation as it prevents competitors rising up or even estabishing.

Sure they do, they set the price for the NHS which is then paid for in tax revenues and not by yourself when you go in after a broken leg and have a $5,000 bill. If they can charge whatever they want then the government should sort out their contracts and find other providers rather than 'paying whatever' for them.

They've no motive to do such a thing when the NHS has a monopoly on healthcare.

That's something that can be easily solved by the government should they wish to do so.

The state is incapable of spending and managing money wisely.

Just can't do it.