Guilty until proven innocent

[FlyingJesus]

That's a false analogy.

Something closer to the truth would be forcing someone who is extremely drunk into their car and intentionally crashing into them.

No it isn't because it's about how a woman's responsibility is legally totally removed from her when she gets drunk and anything that happens to her is the fault of someone else

[Chippiewill]

No it isn't because it's about how a woman's responsibility is legally totally removed from her when she gets drunk and anything that happens to her is the fault of someone else

It's not totally removed. But if someone is taking advantage of them in their drunken state then that is clearly not their fault.

[Richie]

App name: I agree to get banged
Description: Just before two people have sex they open the app, get one another to sign it, save with the current date and time.


Am i a genius or what.



O/T: A bit ridiculous but is there really that many people in the world that fake rape? thats a serious accusation.

[FlyingJesus]

It's an extremely serious accusation yeah but it does seem increasingly more prevalent. There are several high profile cases (usually involving sportsmen and nights out) where it's been proven without doubt or even later admitted to be completely fabricated, and not only does this make things more difficult for genuine victims but it also puts these totally innocent men in danger of becoming victims themselves, especially in America where prison rape occurrences actually outnumber all non-prison rapes - that's a real "rape culture" and is actually where the term came from before feminists stole it to talk about being catcalled.

A DTF app idea isn't bad actually, but you can bet you'd get people saying they'd been forced to sign it or whatever

[Richie]

It's an extremely serious accusation yeah but it does seem increasingly more prevalent. There are several high profile cases (usually involving sportsmen and nights out) where it's been proven without doubt or even later admitted to be completely fabricated, and not only does this make things more difficult for genuine victims but it also puts these totally innocent men in danger of becoming victims themselves, especially in America where prison rape occurrences actually outnumber all non-prison rapes - that's a real "rape culture" and is actually where the term came from before feminists stole it to talk about being catcalled.

A DTF app idea isn't bad actually, but you can bet you'd get people saying they'd been forced to sign it or whatever

The person could just do a different signature, i know people could just do it deliberately but i doubt people go out on the lash, hook up and think 'oh i'm going to say i was raped' it's usually regret after the night out lol

[Firehorse]

I agree with FlyingJesus.

Anybody, women included, caught drink driving, are held responsible for their actions. As in, it doesn't MATTER that you got too drunk to remember it clearly, you still made that decision to drive despite being drunk.

If you attacked someone while drunk you are still responsible for those actions and will still face the time for the crime.

Why should it be any different when it comes to sexual consent? If the man is as drunk as the woman then how can it be argued he had any more control over his actions than she did. I.e. Woman invites man back to hers after night out, they kiss and end up in bed having sex; should the man be assumed guilty of rape if she cried it because a) he didn't verbally ask b) he doesn't have it in writing despite her not having said no. How does a man defend himself if she claims she didn't want to have sex despite having instigated it herself, the entire case reliant on his word against hers.

Quite frankly I just don't see how it can be argued that consent is automatically revoked through the involvement of alcohol. I've been very drunk on many an occasion, but to be so drunk you cannot understand what is happening around you is to be so drunk you have trouble even standing up. Alcohol does not invoke amnesia unless you get wasted to the point you need looking after. If a lady was still standing without issue at the end of a night out then surely enough brain capacity remains to make a decision on sexual consent. This excludes the possibility of a drink being spiked, but if that was assumed then evidence for that could be acquired through a blood or urine sample.

Does alcohol increase libido? Almost certainly. Does it diminish responsibility? Not according to the law when applied to other crimes; so why this one?

What's more, if a man tried to argue he was raped because he was too drunk to give consent he would be laughed out of town.

So how exactly do you prove a woman gave consent? Are we now supposed to record everything on video just to cover our backs?

False rape claims are not uncommon, yet are very rarely prosecuted. There are no robust statistics as most cases that are thought to be false accusations simply get dropped, the figures quoted by various articles range from 10 to 40% of all claims being false accusations. Being falsely accused of rape is incredibly serious, it can completely ruin someone's life, and these new rules seem to make it very easy for this to happen.

TLDR: If you have a penis it must be presumed you are the only responsible party in making a decision to have sex, and women should now all be assumed to be under the age of consent and unable to make their own decisions.

Does anybody see the hypocrisy coming from the women's "equality" groups?

[The Don]

I agree with FlyingJesus.

Anybody, women included, caught drink driving, are held responsible for their actions. As in, it doesn't MATTER that you got too drunk to remember it clearly, you still made that decision to drive despite being drunk.

If you attacked someone while drunk you are still responsible for those actions and will still face the time for the crime.

Why should it be any different when it comes to sexual consent? If the man is as drunk as the woman then how can it be argued he had any more control over his actions than she did. I.e. Woman invites man back to hers after night out, they kiss and end up in bed having sex; should the man be assumed guilty of rape if she cried it because a) he didn't verbally ask b) he doesn't have it in writing despite her not having said no. How does a man defend himself if she claims she didn't want to have sex despite having instigated it herself, the entire case reliant on his word against hers.

Quite frankly I just don't see how it can be argued that consent is automatically revoked through the involvement of alcohol. I've been very drunk on many an occasion, but to be so drunk you cannot understand what is happening around you is to be so drunk you have trouble even standing up. Alcohol does not invoke amnesia unless you get wasted to the point you need looking after. If a lady was still standing without issue at the end of a night out then surely enough brain capacity remains to make a decision on sexual consent. This excludes the possibility of a drink being spiked, but if that was assumed then evidence for that could be acquired through a blood or urine sample.

Does alcohol increase libido? Almost certainly. Does it diminish responsibility? Not according to the law when applied to other crimes; so why this one?

What's more, if a man tried to argue he was raped because he was too drunk to give consent he would be laughed out of town.

So how exactly do you prove a woman gave consent? Are we now supposed to record everything on video just to cover our backs?

False rape claims are not uncommon, yet are very rarely prosecuted. There are no robust statistics as most cases that are thought to be false accusations simply get dropped, the figures quoted by various articles range from 10 to 40% of all claims being false accusations. Being falsely accused of rape is incredibly serious, it can completely ruin someone's life, and these new rules seem to make it very easy for this to happen.

TLDR: If you have a penis it must be presumed you are the only responsible party in making a decision to have sex, and women should now all be assumed to be under the age of consent and unable to make their own decisions.

Does anybody see the hypocrisy coming from the women's "equality" groups?

I agree with you that we should hold accountability for the actions we take whilst drunk. I disagree with the bit i've bolded though. I frequently blackout whilst drinking, as in I can't remember the night out despite seeming functional to the friends I was out with. I'm not saying that means I should get a pass for my actions (because I shouldn't), but just because someone isn't led in a pile of their own sick being looked after doesn't mean they are in a right frame of mind to make rational decisions. They still hold accountability for them, but suggesting that because they're standing and walking fine they aren't that drunk isn't the case.

[Firehorse]

I agree with you that we should hold accountability for the actions we take whilst drunk. I disagree with the bit i've bolded though. I frequently blackout whilst drinking, as in I can't remember the night out despite seeming functional to the friends I was out with. I'm not saying that means I should get a pass for my actions (because I shouldn't), but just because someone isn't led in a pile of their own sick being looked after doesn't mean they are in a right frame of mind to make rational decisions. They still hold accountability for them, but suggesting that because they're standing and walking fine they aren't that drunk isn't the case.

It's very rare however, and comes about when one drinks too much in a short space of time. If you pace your drinks your BAC won't rise so dangerously fast and you won't experience blackouts so easily. Most people who do drink this fast are likely to find themselves expelling the contents of their stomachs soon afterwards, at which point I'd say they are in a state where they need looking after.

I would also argue you should only have highlighted the second sentence in the quote, as even if you cannot remember something it doesn't mean you didn't understand what was happening at the time albeit in a drunken state.

[The Don]

It's very rare however, and comes about when one drinks too much in a short space of time. If you pace your drinks your BAC won't rise so dangerously fast and you won't experience blackouts so easily. Most people who do drink this fast are likely to find themselves expelling the contents of their stomachs soon afterwards, at which point I'd say they are in a state where they need looking after.

I would also argue you should only have highlighted the second sentence in the quote, as even if you cannot remember something it doesn't mean you didn't understand what was happening at the time albeit in a drunken state.

I should have elaborated on the first sentence rather than solely the second one. Drinking can and does cloud peoples judgements which I would argue renders them unable to properly understand what's going on around them. Obviously they are still responsible for the actions and choices they take whilst drunk (within reason) but there's a good reason drunk people are generally deemed unable to enter legally binding agreements.

[Chippiewill]

App name: I agree to get banged
Description: Just before two people have sex they open the app, get one another to sign it, save with the current date and time.


Am i a genius or what.



O/T: A bit ridiculous but is there really that many people in the world that fake rape? thats a serious accusation.

Even better idea, open the app on both phones (passcode protected). Tap them against each other and it does all that with NFC.