The Independent and Independent on Sunday newspapers to cease printing

[-:Undertaker:-]

It goes to show how out of touch you are when you write bitter paragraphs below basically calling the public stupid because they disagree with you. It is very noticeable that when people such as yourself lose arguments or even elections, you'll resort to calling people stupid for the mere act of disagreement with you rather than analysing your own opinions or your own tactics when it comes to debate and reason. We've seen it before numerous times on the left with the prime example of Gordon Brown calling a loyal Labour voter a 'bigot' when the cameras were away for simply bringing up an issue of importance to him. How dare she! The stupid oik! Don't the peasant working classes know what is best for them!?

The attitude stinks. Drop it. I bet you believe, like Akeam, that the public are too stupid to vote on the EU too?

Do you know why the Daily Mail and The Sun sells papers? Because the language is so dumbed down it is ideal for those who do not wish to use their brains and ideal for those wish to read what they want to read, not the actual facts. FYI - Daily Mail figures have dropped from 2,120,347 in 2010 to 1,437,541 (current). Daily Mail has lost over 250,000 readers in the last year (whereas Independent has only lost 130,883) - this itself speaks volumes on the British peoples opinion of your beloved paper. All newspapers have lost a large percentage of subscriptions over the last 5 years as digital reading is becoming more preferable for people. The only reason Independent is moving to fully digital is because it started off with low figures and the drop (which all newspapers have suffered) in subscriptions is no longer sustainable to carry on printing.

I have no idea why you refer to the Daily Mail as my beloved paper when you actually have no idea what my opinion on the Daily Mail is because I don't believe I have told you. Again you're assuming what I think rather than what I actually think. The ills and positives of the Daily Mail and others aside, I am still very happy that newspaper like the Independent which like to think of themselves as really really clever (like you basically calling the population dumbed down just because they read a newspaper you disagree with) is failing to sell. Articles on how immigration is just wonderful, the EU is amazing and how white people are racist just doesn't sell outside university/the BBC. I know that might come as a shock to you but try talking to some normal working people out there sometime.

On the numbers, they've been steadying for most newspapers now for a while (the drops are not as they were a few years ago) which suggests papers such as The Sun and the Daily Mail will be around for a lot longer. Even papers such as The Spectator which have little publicity and small readerships are countering the trend downwards. Can't say the same for the Independent and Guardian though. One already down, one more to go.

It won't be long till all newspapers go 100% digital - some will take longer than others but over time they will all do this. I'd like to know where the Gurdian and Independent have shown sympathy for terrorists or pedophiles?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nd-taliban-anc
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nic-minorities
http://www.theguardian.com/comment/s...530504,00.html

I could go on, but the themes are a constant white people=bad, islam=great, christianity=bad, immigration=great, complaints about immigration=racist, daily mail=for stupid people, tax dodgers=bad (although guilty of it ourselves), unpaid internships=bad (although guilty ourselves), wealthy people=bad (although likes of Polly Toynbee have a Tuscan villa). It goes on and on and on. The stench of hypocrisy and hatred for everything decent in this country and western society is appalling. It stinks to high heaven, and that is why nobody reads it other than students, BBC staff and people living in north London.

You may think of yourself as cleverer than everybody else for reading it but the reality is you are just out of touch, not clever.

If your opinion was truly the opinion of the majority of British public then we would have a totally different political party in power right now. The surveys/polling are rarely correct - the last general election is the perfect example of this. The EU vote will also prove this.

No smart arse, voting is a tribal act for most of the public. It has been shown in study after study that in Labour areas, especially poorer and in the north for example, right-wing ideas such as the death penalty, tightening immigration and tough criminal justice and punishment are far more popular than in middle class Tory areas in the shires. Yet areas like mine vote Labour in amazing numbers. It is purely tribal, see the changeover in Scotland of how a sudden change can result in a tribal party being overthrown in one night after decades of loyalty.

In any case, the last election had the supposed right wing parties win over 50% of the vote (Conservative+Ukip+DUP).

It isn't closing down, it is moving online. Oh gosh, you speak just like your crappy Daily Mail paper - a news paper where almost every online article has spelling mistakes.

It basically is. It will struggle to hold on to staff and do investigative stories on just online revenue.

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It goes to show how out of touch you are when you write bitter paragraphs below basically calling the public stupid because they disagree with you.

Please quote me where i have called the public stupid for disagreeing with me? Are you on drugs or just deluded and seeing things which do not exist?

I have no idea why you refer to the Daily Mail as my beloved paper when you actually have no idea what my opinion on the Daily Mail is

And what makes you think I love the Guradian or Independent? I am not the one who quotes the Daily Mail all the time.

On the numbers, they've been steadying for most newspapers now for a while (the drops are not as they were a few years ago) which suggests papers such as The Sun and the Daily Mail will be around for a lot longer.

Again, this quote shows you make up numbers in your head. Daily Mail has lost 251,186 subscriptions in the last year. Steadying? Do you not know the meaning of steadying?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nd-taliban-anc
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nic-minorities
http://www.theguardian.com/comment/s...530504,00.html

I think you have jumped to a conclusion based on the titles alone - I do not believe you have actually read the articles.

daily mail=for stupid people

I'm glad you agree.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Please quote me where i have called the public stupid for disagreeing with me? Are you on drugs or just deluded and seeing things which do not exist?

"Do you know why the Daily Mail and The Sun sells papers? Because the language is so dumbed down it is ideal for those who do not wish to use their brains and ideal for those wish to read what they want to read, not the actual facts."

And what makes you think I love the Guradian or Independent? I am not the one who quotes the Daily Mail all the time.

Ans to Q1: Because you appear to think they are true bastions of truth among newspapers hence this debate.
Ans to Q2: I rarely quote from the Daily Mail. Infact you'd be hard pressed to see the last time I quoted it even for a story.

Again, this quote shows you make up numbers in your head. Daily Mail has lost 251,186 subscriptions in the last year. Steadying? Do you not know the meaning of steadying?

Look at the numbers of the past decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...by_circulation

The Guardian and The Independent have lost as a % much more than titles like the Mail, Mirror and The Sun have.

I think you have jumped to a conclusion based on the titles alone - I do not believe you have actually read the articles.

Oh so you agree with lowering the age of consent to 14 and that terrorism can be justified?

Then that explains why you like the Guardian newspaper. But don't assume your tastes and thoughts to be those of the nation as a whole, that's all.

I'm glad you agree.

It says a lot about the difference between you and I in character & the sides we stand on when I refuse to ever say X will for sure happen in the referendum/election (arrogance) and that people who read a different paper to you are stupid (which I would never ever say). Why insult the public?

You'll see for example when the referendum results are announced. That night if Leave win I will be greatly pleased but I will be humble & won't wish to rub anybody's noses in it because there's such a thing as being a ungracious victor. You and some others on the other hand would love to crow.

[The Don]

On the numbers, they've been steadying for most newspapers now for a while (the drops are not as they were a few years ago) which suggests papers such as The Sun and the Daily Mail will be around for a lot longer.

Again, this quote shows you make up numbers in your head. Daily Mail has lost 251,186 subscriptions in the last year. Steadying? Do you not know the meaning of steadying?

Look at the numbers of the past decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...by_circulation

The Guardian and The Independent have lost as a % much more than titles like the Mail, Mirror and The Sun have.

Ah, yes! The numbers have been steadying over the past few years...

[-:Undertaker:-]

Tehehehe!! giggle giggle @The Don; :rolleyes:

Nobody denies all papers have had it rough and face a battle ahead. But the Mail is top/second top best-seller near 2 million copies.

Meanwhile the Independent and Guardian are either ceasing to print or are the lowest on that table. The figures say it all.