Decline in quality of the Moderation decisions

[today]

How things have changed in the past few years.

[Empired]

How things have changed in the past few years.

I'm not sure, feedback threads have been made complaining moderation for as long as I can remember certainly

To be honest people have been complaining about every department for as long as I've been here - it's a shame almost all of the good stuff (unless it's a big official event) goes unnoticed or ignored but occasional mistakes or wrongdoings deserve 8+ page feedback threads. But that's just part of human nature in general I guess.

And I should say Dan's been spoken to about the two examples he brought up and I /hope/ they've been cleared up for him - or at least explained a bit more.

[David]

it's a shame almost all of the good stuff (unless it's a big official event) goes unnoticed or ignored but occasional mistakes or wrongdoings deserve 8+ page feedback threads.

"when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

[Kyle]

I'm not sure, feedback threads have been made complaining moderation for as long as I can remember certainly

To be honest people have been complaining about every department for as long as I've been here - it's a shame almost all of the good stuff (unless it's a big official event) goes unnoticed or ignored but occasional mistakes or wrongdoings deserve 8+ page feedback threads. But that's just part of human nature in general I guess.

And I should say Dan's been spoken to about the two examples he brought up and I /hope/ they've been cleared up for him - or at least explained a bit more.

Post a list of good stuff that's happened

I've been moderated poorly a lot but the appeals system is too long to bother using. If you can't get something sorted through a pm discussion to clarify the intent and content of a moderated post with the person that moderated it then what's the point doing it in a designated thread. Effort.

[FlyingJesus]

Genuine warnings and infractions hardly ever happen because it has to be a certain number of repeats of the same thing in a small time frame for it to happen, there's pretty much no damage being done here

[Matt]

Although a majority of the points mentioned have already been commented on/addressed, i'll give my interpretation and view anyway.

Dan, what I don't think you understand is the fact you don't just break a relatively minor rule and then never break it again, you break it repeatedly. Many of your rule-breaks are similar in nature and yes they may not be seen worthy of a usernote/warning/PM/infraction on their own, but it's the continuation of those same rule breaks that see us issuing the more harsher punishments. How else would we get the message across that the rules are there for a reason.

The 'gayyyyyyyy' comment, I would personally have labelled as pointless - I highly doubt you'd be able to say there was a purpose to that post. It's a thread about beauty products and just because a male has posted, why would you then go and comment that? Like I honestly view that as crying out for a negative response. Your recent comment here is exactly the same. I'm not sure if you reply like this because you're so desperate for a post count increase or what, but to me those types of replies do absolutely nothing. At the time of the modwarn issued by Alicia, she was relatively new and perhaps would've been better labeling it as pointless - you are always told you can appeal a usernote anyway.

It is actually possible to have a debate and/or comment on a current affair topic with a tone that isn't trying to provoke a negative response out of the intended user which therefore results in the thread escalating and turning into something that's not only off-topic but against rules. That is why moderation steps in. Unfortunately your good old friend Evanora is also known for making offensive posts and therefore moderators are going to pounce on posts made by that user that may be viewed as inappropriate - again this user has also accumulated warnings and infractions in the past for offensive/inappropriate comments.

The BADSPOILER warning needs revising and I agree that it should only be used if it's deserved. We would hope that by the time you've received a few PMs about putting inappropriate content in a BADSPOILER, you would be able to simply press one button around the selected content to save yourself being contacted by moderation. This will be adjusted however and is on my list of things to sort out.

The department is definitely not micromanaged - I give you my word

[-:Undertaker:-]

@Matt;

I'm not complaining about some recent warnings I have had regarding rule breaks over and over. That's in relation to that music thread where we post what we're listening to and @Empired; kept warning me to post Spoiler tags as the video contained swearing and I kept forgetting. I'd been told a few times so that's totally fair.

I just don't think comments like the gay one are worthy of moderation. I understand the concern about spam, but I think sometimes posts on here should be allowed to be a bit jokey/messing around rather than full on essays or no interaction in threads. Nevertheless the post was warned for being rude.

You know what Dan, **** off. You are a **** idiot.

I just had the Habbox Co-Owner say that to me in a thread (hey I haven't a problem with it myself) but I am told off for "smart arse" and "gayyyyy". It's silly.

[Matt]

@Matt;

I'm not complaining about some recent warnings I have had regarding rule breaks over and over. That's in relation to that music thread where we post what we're listening to and @Empired; kept warning me to post Spoiler tags as the video contained swearing and I kept forgetting. I'd been told a few times so that's totally fair.

I just don't think comments like the gay one are worthy of moderation. I understand the concern about spam, but I think sometimes posts on here should be allowed to be a bit jokey/messing around rather than full on essays or no interaction in threads. Nevertheless the post was warned for being rude.



I just had the Habbox Co-Owner say that to me in a thread (hey I haven't a problem with it myself) but I am told off for "smart arse" and "gayyyyy". It's silly.

I had been meaning to adjust the BADSPOILER rule for quite some time and did consult with Laura a number of weeks ago (as I saw a large amount of your posts had been modwarned in that thread and you were actually the reason why I had raised it as an issue). I have since revised the way in which moderators deal with such posts and that they are to issue warnings/infractions as a last resort. They were only following the handbook though so it was up to me to change that.

Although you might've been joking I'd still say it can be viewed as slightly controversial. I always hate it when people are 'joking' when commenting as it's genuinely hard to know whether or not it's a joke in the first place and whether or not it's received by others as a joke. It was seen as homophobic and either way, I myself would've issued you with some kind of modwarn for that post.

As for Matt, myself and the moderators can't do anything about that so I won't comment on it. That's not to say I'm happy to see it's been posted.

[Zak]

I see it as people giving up their free time to help Habbox out. I couldn't really care about the quality, Habbox are lucky to have anyone do anything for them for free. Respect to anyone in a role here at the forum.

[GoldenMerc]

I think its time for Habbox to scrap infractions, warnings, usernotes. Just ban spammers, as they are very biased in terms with banning, we've had major trolls on this forum for years, they wont get banned