Germany to push for EU Army *AFTER* British referendum

[FlyingJesus]

So wait.

I am making up what the treaties, European Commission President, German Chancellor, German Defence Minister, German Foreign Minister and Italian Prime Minister are saying? Did I also write up the Five Presidents Report which states an acceleration (which would involve military) towards political union by 2025?

No you're making up THE BIT THAT I **** QUOTED Christ almighty do you think I've just been repeating that part of your post for fun or something

[-:Undertaker:-]

No you're making up THE BIT THAT I **** QUOTED Christ almighty do you think I've just been repeating that part of your post for fun or something

lol what. that's obviously my prediction for how it'll go hence why i put probably into the paragraph you chump.

you understand my comparison to how the single currency came into being was like..... an example. parts of which have already come true.

do you deny they're building an EU army?

[FlyingJesus]

No I don't deny that, and that wasn't the bloody argument I was making... ever. You've been saying for however many paragraphs of nonsense that that post was not full of supposition, which you've now finally admitted it was. That's literally all that was needed. It wasn't about the inferences on long term plans or anything like that, it was about you making up a scenario.

And the only bit you said "probably" about was what you think will prompt the demilitarisation of Britain - the rest you had laid out as a timeline of events, which I quite rightly have said over and over is a bunch of guesswork. You denied that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

just seen this clip come up on twitter, very relevant from the horse's mouth.

Jean Monnet’s chief of staff tells #newsnight: “Maybe it was naïve, but we thought we could change European history”https://t.co/oG8cwERi3B

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) May 3, 2016

No I don't deny that, and that wasn't the bloody argument I was making... ever. You've been saying for however many paragraphs of nonsense that that post was not full of supposition, which you've now finally admitted it was. That's literally all that was needed. It wasn't about the inferences on long term plans or anything like that, it was about you making up a scenario.

And the only bit you said "probably" about was what you think will prompt the demilitarisation of Britain - the rest you had laid out as a timeline of events, which I quite rightly have said over and over is a bunch of guesswork. You denied that.

because your post didn't make sense and looked to me like you were denying it was going to happen simply because it hadn't happened. but surely you can see my logic given how other EU structures have come into being via the ratchet effect? it starts off with the "just co-operation" argument that Akeam put forward, then it ratches up over time and before you know it we have formerly British and French naval ships flying the EU flag and taking orders from the unelected European Commission which intends to become the government of Europe.

do you agree my point though in all of this how this is clearly not what Britain wants therefore it is best to leave now on our own terms?

[FlyingJesus]

My post made complete sense and I've explained it several times, you just refused to read what was actually being argued. Yes I said in my first post that I don't like the sound of this, again simple reading