The BNP - Good or Bad?

[-:Undertaker:-]

No she has just copied and pasted the quotes and you just refuse to believe them as we both predicted, so you are just wasting our time by telling us to pick a quote to debate when you simply refuse to believe it. That is a very poor debating skill which you seem to have.

Like we have said several times, if those quotes were false, the author would have been sue'd by now and asked to make a formal apology as well as remove the quote.

Do not talk about debating skills with me, you refused to take part time and time again and now Tash is putting together a well-contructed side of the debate, you seem to want to get in on that. IF Nigel Farage HAD said that - do you not think for one minute that when he was on any program such as Question Time another MP/MEP/writer would of picked up on this and attacked him with it? - nobody has which points to it being simply not true.

So if you're saying I can openly deny something without solid evidence then I could deny anything? What about if there's rock hard evidence?

If there is rock hard evidence, you can still deny it but everyone else can see its true, as is the case with the holocaust.

[Seatherny]

No, I had provided you with the evidence, but as predicted you just refuse to believe it, so I didnt see the point. Tash only quoted it in hope that you will stop re-posting what you have been doing. I have always answered your points, showed you the quotes and you just wanted me to copy and paste them. Whats the point in that? :S Thats just a waste of time.

Yes, ofcourse they are going to ask the person the same question everytime :rolleyes:
Its most likely he made up an excuse for it and the media cant be bothered arguing on it now.

Oh and heres a quote

Frank Maloney (UKIP candidate in the 2004 London mayoral election) commented
that he would not be campaigning in Camden because there are “too many gays”.
He said “I don’t want to campaign around gays… I don’t think they do a lot for
society”. Protesting that he was not homophobic, Maloney then added “In public
let’s live a proper moral life – I think that’s important”.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3666155.stm

So thats not homophobic or have the BBC made the news up? Or both? :rolleyes:

Godfrey Bloom (UKIP MEP since 2004) has notoriously declared: “No selfrespecting
small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a
lady of child-bearing age”. He applied for a place on the Women’s Rights
Committee of the European Parliament, saying “I am here to represent Yorkshire
women who always have dinner on the table when you get home. I am going to
promote men’s rights”. He wanted to deal with women’s issues because “I just
don’t think they clean behind the fridge enough”.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...st/3912385.stm

[Seatherny]

Steve Reed has also stated: “[‘Renewable resources’] are not renewable… Taking
energy from winds and tides irreversibly enervates the weather system and slows
the rotation of the Earth”.

Source: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/lette...inst.833678.jp

This guy is an absolute moron. Why would anyone want these idiots running the country?

When Robert Kilroy-Silk was due to appear on BBC 1’s Question Time as a UKIP
candidate for the 2004 European elections, UKIP’s campaign office e-mailed its
supporters with this request: “We urgently need articulate members to be in the
audience for the above event. BUT DON’T LET ON YOU’RE UKIP!”

Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...-tricks-row.do

Thats just lame and idiotic.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, I had provided you with the evidence, but as predicted you just refuse to believe it, so I didnt see the point. Tash only quoted it in hope that you will stop re-posting what you have been doing. I have always answered your points, showed you the quotes and you just wanted me to copy and paste them. Whats the point in that? :S Thats just a waste of time.

..because as I have said before, the Corbett document is utter rubbish, as shown by the stuff you've just posted below, half these things aren't remotely racist and the claims that Nigel Farage said that cannot even be backed up at all, hence why nobody has ever called him a racist.

Yes, ofcourse they are going to ask the person the same question everytime :rolleyes:
Its most likely he made up an excuse for it and the media cant be bothered arguing on it now.

Oh and heres a quote

Oh the media can't be bothered oh yes its all Farage and UKIP V you isn't it. Excuses, excuses.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3666155.stm

So thats not homophobic or have the BBC made the news up? Or both? :rolleyes:

That's not remotely homophobic.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...st/3912385.stm

He supports the old-fashioned family view of women - and? :S

Source: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/lette...inst.833678.jp

This guy is an absolute moron. Why would anyone want these idiots running the country?

His opinion, not UKIP policy. We already have idiots such as Gordon Brown giving away billions upon billions to fight non-existant climate change while we have old people dying in poor care which is utterly disgusting. Today we have more cuts to the military as our men and women are dying while in war - its disgusting yet because its Labour, don't mention hey?

Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...-tricks-row.do

Thats just lame and idiotic.

Do you know why that is? - because just like the BNP was treated on Question Time they feared they would get the same treatment. The main parties used to call UKIP racist etc when it was smaller back in 2004.

[Seatherny]

..because as I have said before, the Corbett document is utter rubbish, as shown by the stuff you've just posted below, half these things aren't remotely racist and the claims that Nigel Farage said that cannot even be backed up at all, hence why nobody has ever called him a racist.



Oh the media can't be bothered oh yes its all Farage and UKIP V you isn't it. Excuses, excuses.



That's not remotely homophobic.



He supports the old-fashioned family view of women - and? :S



His opinion, not UKIP policy. We already have idiots such as Gordon Brown giving away billions upon billions to fight non-existant climate change while we have old people dying in poor care which is utterly disgusting. Today we have more cuts to the military as our men and women are dying while in war - its disgusting yet because its Labour, don't mention hey?





Do you know why that is? - because just like the BNP was treated on Question Time they feared they would get the same treatment. The main parties used to call UKIP racist etc when it was smaller back in 2004.

Not remotely homophobic? Are you kidding me? Your counter arguments are pathetic!
So you are saying if UKIP get in power and the old fashioned leaders made it so woman didn't have equal rights, you wouldn't care? :rolleyes: Political parties need to adapt to the modern culture. Parties such as UKIP don't and hence they fail.

And are you saying the climate isn't changing? If yes then gosh, its the biggest load of crap I have heard this month.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Not remotely homophobic? Are you kidding me? Your counter arguments are pathetic!
So you are saying if UKIP get in power and the old fashioned leaders made it so woman didn't have equal rights, you wouldn't care? :rolleyes: Political parties need to adapt to the modern culture. Parties such as UKIP don't and hence they fail.

And are you saying the climate isn't changing? If yes then gosh, its the biggest load of crap I have heard this month.

How is that homophobic, infact out of the two of us I think i'm best placed to decide whether thats homophobic. You would suit being a euro/burocrat because you seem to think that the smallest things said are offensive to minority groups from the big bad UKIP. Where is the malice in what that man said?

They haven't said women won't have equal rights, although if you could find that in their policies then that would be fantastic i'm sure. He has merely said that in his opinion he prefers the old family style, and by the looks of it was taking the micky out of the EU/Government equality bodies which are set up at the cost of hundreds, if not billions of pounds a year.

Can you give me examples of climate change please.

[Seatherny]

How is that homophobic, infact out of the two of us I think i'm best placed to decide whether thats homophobic. You would suit being a euro/burocrat because you seem to think that the smallest things said are offensive to minority groups from the big bad UKIP. Where is the malice in what that man said?

They haven't said women won't have equal rights, although if you could find that in their policies then that would be fantastic i'm sure. He has merely said that in his opinion he prefers the old family style, and by the looks of it was taking the micky out of the EU/Government equality bodies which are set up at the cost of hundreds, if not billions of pounds a year.

Can you give me examples of climate change please.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle852640.ece

Antarctica, the ice melting along with the weather changes the UK has experienced over the last decade. More floods etc.
Denying global warming really is like denying that the earth is round :rolleyes:

[Black_Apalachi]

So if you're saying I can openly deny something without solid evidence then I could deny anything? What about if there's rock hard evidence?

:eusa_clap

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle852640.ece

Antarctica, the ice melting along with the weather changes the UK has experienced over the last decade. More floods etc.
Denying global warming really is like denying that the earth is round :rolleyes:

Nobody is disputing the Earth's natural cycle of warming up over a long period of time but that's all it is, a natural cycle. A few generations of humans are barely going to scratch the surface in affecting it and they sure as hell can't do **** all to prevent it, even though this Government are quite happy to make naive people like you think so and take your money in the meantime.

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle852640.ece

Antarctica, the ice melting along with the weather changes the UK has experienced over the last decade. More floods etc.
Denying global warming really is like denying that the earth is round :rolleyes:

What weather changes have we experienced?

Floods - oh wait thats what happens when you build next to a river or on a flood plain.
Cold summers - oh wait thats what we've always had.
Hot days - oh wait thats what we've always had.

..and no it isn't, especially considering the fact that a few weeks ago a high profile study group on climate change were found out to be fiddling their figures.

[Seatherny]

Have I ever said anything along the lines of

affecting it and they sure as hell can't do **** all to prevent it, even though this Government are quite happy to make naive people like you think so and take your money in the meantime.

No. Stop being ignorant which you clearly are. Undertaker denied that the climate was changing. Now the political policies concerning it is a different matter. I think its you and undertaker who are the naive one here and hence he is so crap at debates (as he has demonstrated in this one). He comes out with laughable replies and then refuses to believe the facts.

What weather changes have we experienced?

Floods - oh wait thats what happens when you build next to a river or on a flood plain.
Cold summers - oh wait thats what we've always had.
Hot days - oh wait thats what we've always had.

..and no it isn't, especially considering the fact that a few weeks ago a high profile study group on climate change were found out to be fiddling their figures.

In Manchester, it used to snow in December. Now it snows in March/April. I think that clearly shows it. There are more floods now.
And would you please link me to this thing which you refer to regarding the numbers being fiddled.

Its a scientific fact that the climate is changing. The ice isn't melting of its own in the Antarctica you know :rolleyes:.