EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

[scottish]

I've thus far done 1,250 households (2,500 leaflets) with friends for Vote Leave and Labour Leave and expect to more than double that this week. I've been literally praying at night for the first time in years over this and have felt sick to my stomach thinking about it. It's horrific but I am optimistic on some factors.

My strategy now if I were running Leave would be to bring out the immigration cannon, that this is the last chance to control the borders or else before we know it 80 million Turks will have the right to come to this country. Ignore Osborne: hammer the immigration message like it's never been hammered before.

With an expected status quo swingback this is all likely to come down to postal votes, demographic turnout and undecideds.

do you actually think that makes any difference though honestly?

soon as I get any crap through the door like that I bin it, if people are unsure on what to vote do you really think they're saying oh i'll wait on some chap to put a flyer through my door?

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do you actually think that makes any difference though honestly?

soon as I get any crap through the door like that I bin it, if people are unsure on what to vote do you really think they're saying oh i'll wait on some chap to put a flyer through my door?

It's been proven canvassing and leafleting works, especially targeted leafleting hence why the Conservatives won an unexpected victory in 2015. The data they had on their systems down to where their voters lived, where the swing voters lived was a huge professional operation hence the electoral onslaught. Even if out of 2,000 households I cover say 200 people (10%) to change their mind/are motivated to go out and vote Leave then I will have made a difference.

I have no interest in leafleting for dishonest political parties at election time of all colours. My motivating thought for this all the time is of visiting the Commonwealth war graves in France and Belgium a few years back. The countless men my age who died for our independence. I'd feel guilty if I did nothing.

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The Great Debate

Final Debate for Thursday's EU referendum at Wembley Arena on BBC One this Tuesday at 8pm

Representing Vote Leave will be Boris Johnson (Conservative) MP, Giesla Stuart (Labour) MP and Andrea Leadsom (Conservative) MP

Representing Britain Stronger in Europe will be Mayor of London Sadiq Khan (Labour), Ruth Davies MSP (Conservative) and Frances o'Grady (TUC)

The BBC has today confirmed the panellists for its final and biggest debate on the EU referendum, to be broadcast on BBC One on 21 June at 8pm.

Senior campaigners for Vote Leave Boris Johnson MP and Gisela Stuart MP will be joined by Andrea Leadsom MP to represent leave.

Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party Ruth Davidson MSP, London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Frances O’Grady, General Secretary of the TUC from the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, will represent remain.

David Dimbleby hosts the event, joined by Mishal Husain and Emily Maitlis, live from the SSE Arena, Wembley.

Both sides of the debate will make opening and closing statements. The six panellists will debate the key EU Referendum issues, including the economy and immigration, and take questions in front of an audience of thousands of voters.

For each topic there will be questions from two audience members – split evenly between leave and remain supporters. Each panellist on the main stage will have the opportunity to answer the question and then debate the subject.

There will be additional opinion and commentary on the issues from a second stage of further 10 guests made up of five representatives from each side, moderated by Mishal Husain. For remain, these will be SNP’s Humza Yousaf MSP, Conservative MP Sarah Wollaston, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, and Justin King, former CEO of Sainsbury’s. Representing leave on the second stage will be Conservative Minister Priti Patel MP, UKIP’s Diane James MEP, Harsimrat Kaur from Women for Britain, Tim Martin, founder and chairman of Wetherspoons, and journalist and author Tony Parsons.

The final part of the live programme is presented by Emily Maitlis from the media room, at the Drum, where she will gauge the immediate reaction to the debate and assess the facts and claims made with the help of the BBC’s Reality Check team led on the night by Economics Editor, Kamal Ahmad and Europe Editor, Katya Adler.

EU Referendum – The Great Debate will be broadcast on Tuesday 21 June at 8pm–10pm on BBC One.

Over 20,000 people applied for 6,000 tickets for The Great Debate.

I've posted alone from the Megathread as thought people might like to know it is on and tune in.

Interesting that Remain have changed their team whereas Leave have kept theirs from the last debate...

Thread merged by Chris (Forum Moderator): As all EU Referendum discussion must be posted in the Megathread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Cameron still repeating the "Turkey won't join until the year 3000 lie" on BBC Question Time right now.

If that's the case then WHY DOES THE **** UK TURKISH EMBASSY SAY THIS ON THE WEBSITE the lying devious deceptive ****

[The Don]

Cameron still repeating the "Turkey won't join until the year 3000 lie" on BBC Question Time right now.

If that's the case then WHY DOES THE **** UK TURKISH EMBASSY SAY THIS ON THE WEBSITE the lying devious deceptive ****

They've been attempting to join since 1987, any progress they did make towards accession has been undone by Erdogan's recent antics. Not to mention we can veto anyone from joining. It would be wrong to say they're definitely never going to join, however it doesn't look like it's happening, especially anytime soon.

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They've been attempting to join since 1987, any progress they did make towards accession has been undone by Erdogan's recent antics. Not to mention we can veto anyone from joining. It would be wrong to say they're definitely never going to join, however it doesn't look like it's happening, especially anytime soon.

And Cameron refuses point blank to say he would veto Turkish membership. He and the establishment also support EU membership of Albania, Macedonia, Montenegr'o, Serbia and possibly Bosnia and Kosovo. All complete basket case countries with high levels of corruption and immensely poor - meaning yet an even bigger bill for us to pay... forever and ever. In addition, that's over 100 million additional (poor) people having complete free movement to the UK.

Never did I think I would come to despise somebody on a level as much as I do Blair but Cameron has done it. I'm restraining myself even talking about him.

RETWEET: David Cameron refuses to say if he will veto Turkey joining the EU #VoteLeave #bbcqthttps://t.co/OIs4uAhq3T

— Vote Leave (@vote_leave) June 19, 2016

1. PM will you veto Turkey?

“Well I don’t think it’s going to happen for decades"

— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) June 19, 2016

2. PM will you veto Turkey?

“It’s not going to come up."

3:

“I’m not going to be PM in three decades time."

4. "it's a red herring."

— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) June 19, 2016

After audience yelling for him to veto the deal, the PM said: “Let me explain why Britain has always been very favourable to Turkey...."

— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) June 19, 2016

[The Don]

And Cameron refuses point blank to say he would veto Turkish membership. He and the establishment also support EU membership of Albania, Macedonia, Montenegr'o, Serbia and possibly Bosnia and Kosovo. All complete basket case countries with high levels of corruption and immensely poor - meaning yet an even bigger bill for us to pay... forever and ever. In addition, that's over 100 million additional (poor) people having complete free movement to the UK.

Yes, which is why there is an incredibly long and tedious joining process where eliminating corruption is one of the requirements. Cameron's not in a position to veto it as they won't be joining anytime soon, it's literally a nonissue.

[Lucy]

Don't know if I missed this being discussed but whose likely to have the best coverage on referendum evening? Are we going to hear the result on that evening?

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Yes, which is why there is an incredibly long and tedious joining process where eliminating corruption is one of the requirements. Cameron's not in a position to veto it as they won't be joining anytime soon, it's literally a nonissue.

Don't make me laugh with the "tedious process" line. Oh yeah, just like the "tedious process" which saw Greece, Spain etc all shoved into the Eurozone when they were clearly unsuitable to join but as usual in Brussels it was the politics which came before anything else. More Europe and more power at any cost even if it destroys millions of lives as it has done for nearly a decade now of recession. Exactly the same story when they tried to force Britain into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, causing a recession which cost us billions until we were ejected by market forces. Again, utopianism before realism.

Remain are lying that Turkey isn't going to join, and the EU is already going to grant visa access to Turks this summer which is a step to membership. I was going to add that Cameron could always just say now he'd veto Turkish membership (the fact he won't tells us all we need to know) but who'd believe him anyway? Our public services are just going to be crippled if these countries join, our population will head 80m upwards. It's depressing and bleak.

Don't know if I missed this being discussed but whose likely to have the best coverage on referendum evening? Are we going to hear the result on that evening?

Sunderland is expected to declare first at 2pm.

It'll be a long night and if the results are close then it could be early hours of the morning. Best to check Twitter journos for what sources are saying.

[The Don]

Don't make me laugh with the "tedious process" line. Oh yeah, just like the "tedious process" which saw Greece, Spain etc all shoved into the Eurozone when they were clearly unsuitable to join but as usual in Brussels it was the politics which came before anything else. More Europe and more power. Exactly the same when they tried to force Britain into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism which cost us billions until we were ejected by market forces. Again, utopianism before realism.

Remain are lying that Turkey isn't going to join, and the EU is already going to grant visa access to Turks this summer which is a step to membership. I was going to add that Cameron could always just say now he'd veto Turkish membership (the fact he won't tells us all we need to know) but who'd believe him anyway?



Sunderland is expected to declare first at 2pm.

It'll be a long night and if the results are close then it could be early hours of the morning. Best to check Twitter journos for what sources are saying.

Well it is long and tedious since Turkey has only met 1 out out of the 35 targets for joining since 1987, and you know very well that Greece lied about their financial situation to get in quicker.