The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Robbie]

I think this country should make voting a legal requirement. In Australia, for example, by law you have to vote in all elections. Then we'd get a true voice of the people.

[Catzsy]

I think this country should make voting a legal requirement. In Australia, for example, by law you have to vote in all elections. Then we'd get a true voice of the people.

Well said, Robbie. Totally agree.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I didn't say UKIP would never get in. I said they only had a realistic prospect of a couple of seats this time. Of course it may happen in time but it is pure fantasy to think otherwise in the coming election and how can you say of we proportional representation UKIP would be the opposition? They aren't even pulling 5% in the polls are they? Problem is the apathetic nature of most of the electorate - if they did shift their behinds into gear and lobby this country would be a much better place. I haven't mentioned Labout specifically as I feel voters are pretty much disaffected with most of the main parties and I am not going down your re-gurgitated world of labour bashing at every oppportunity as this debate is about the BNP. You as a member of UKIP should be pointing out the flaws of the BNP at every opportunity because they are your main rivals IMHO and need stopping. =]

Indeed, and hopefully Nigel Farage takes the seat of Speaker John Bercow in the General Election. You can say the Conservatives would be in office and UKIP in opposition if we'd of had proportional representation because in summer 2009 they were the results in a PR election in which UKIP beat the governing Labour Party. Often people dont bother voting at all/continue voting for the main parties at general elections because they know its very hard for a another party to get it, hence why people often say "wasted vote" and so on and if the FPTP system was scrapped we'd see some massive changes in politics in this country, for the good.

As for the BNP, the BNP I feel represent my views and the views of the population far closer than that of the Lib/Lab/Con and the BNP only get support really because as I said, people are fed up with the main parties. The efforts of UKIP must be focused on the Lib/Lab/Con elite because thats where the power is and thats where change can be made, especially concerning the Conservatives of which its supporters and voting base are leaving Camerons left-wing agenda in droves.

Something will tip eventually, whether its from the other parties making more headway, the other parties growth and influence or the Conservative Party lurching to the right again. Its a case of the 1970s again, something has got to give.

[Soy]

it pisses me off when i see a foreign person with a job when i havent..

get them out of the country I say, go BNP

[Catzsy]

summer 2009 they were the results in a PR election in which UKIP beat the governing Labour Party

Well that is something! Have you got a link?

[-:Undertaker:-]

• http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...09/default.stm

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...ted_Kingdom%29

Had that been a general election with the same proportional representational voting system, Labour wouldn't even be the opposition party. Right now we'd have David Cameron as Prime Minister and Nigel Farage as leader of the opposition. So if we were to swap to the fair proportional representation system politics would very much change. Infact the Tories would be forced to swing to the right to protect their vote because England, being the bulk of the electorate and very much to the right simply would vote for the opposition over Camerons Conservatives.

Infact in 2005 even with a right-wing leader like Michael Howard whom most Tories were behind (me included), because of the vote splitting to UKIP in the General Election - the Tories apparently lost 20 to 30 seats because of UKIP. Thats only likely to increase even more as Conservative voters continue to leave Camerons Conservatives.

[ifuseekamy]

I think this country should make voting a legal requirement. In Australia, for example, by law you have to vote in all elections. Then we'd get a true voice of the people.

I wouldn't vote because politicians are a bunch of lying ***** who haven't the slightest clue about real life and have to go on some channel 4 show about living in a tower block to pretend they do. I prefer the democracy of being able to abstain from a vote than be forced to vote for the party I dislike the least.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I wouldn't vote because politicians are a bunch of lying ***** who haven't the slightest clue about real life and have to go on some channel 4 show about living in a tower block to pretend they do. I prefer the democracy of being able to abstain from a vote than be forced to vote for the party I dislike the least.

I think if I ever switch to that view (still got hope at the moment with UKIP) but if I do, i'll not vote for a party but i'll go to the polling station and i'll wreck my vote [spoilt vote] to show just how I feel with the politicians. I think if everyone did that whos fed up with the whole lot of them then it'd cause some huge embaraessment for them and maybe we'd get somewhere. It shows that you do care about your country and its state of affairs but also shows what you think of the politicians.

[Catzsy]

• http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...09/default.stm

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...ted_Kingdom%29

Had that been a general election with the same proportional representational voting system, Labour wouldn't even be the opposition party. Right now we'd have David Cameron as Prime Minister and Nigel Farage as leader of the opposition. So if we were to swap to the fair proportional representation system politics would very much change. Infact the Tories would be forced to swing to the right to protect their vote because England, being the bulk of the electorate and very much to the right simply would vote for the opposition over Camerons Conservatives.

Infact in 2005 even with a right-wing leader like Michael Howard whom most Tories were behind (me included), because of the vote splitting to UKIP in the General Election - the Tories apparently lost 20 to 30 seats because of UKIP. Thats only likely to increase even more as Conservative voters continue to leave Camerons Conservatives.

Oh okay - I get the drift. However, I can't imagine voting patterns being the same for a general election as they are for a European election. People will vote for the MEP who they feel has the most to offer in Europe and UKIP is therefore a good choice for the eurosceptics. Labour's policy has always been a bit wishywashy on Europe tbf.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh okay - I get the drift. However, I can't imagine voting patterns being the same for a general election as they are for a European election. People will vote for the MEP who they feel has the most to offer in Europe and UKIP is therefore a good choice for the eurosceptics. Labour's policy has always been a bit wishywashy on Europe tbf.

They'd be very similar, it all depends how it'd pan out and how each party would respond to proportional representation. UKIP and other parties miss out on a mass of votes at normal elections because they know how the FPTP system works and theres little chance of changing anything anyway with that system in place so they either vote for the opposition (Labour or Conservative) or dont bother voting at all - thats how the Lib/Lab/Con keep their monopoly on power and if you remove that then they are fully exposed.

The Conservatives would be in deep trouble and Cameron would most likely be thrown overboard to avoid UKIP rising above them, Labour would be struggling for votes and would have to rely on votes from Scotland/Liberal Democrat supporters just to stay with its head above the waves. They are proposing a referendum be held on election day this year anyway to decide the voting system, whether the new system will be a proper and fair system and whether it remains in place until the next election is a big question.