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    Quote Originally Posted by Voiding View Post
    Yes but the middle age and healthiest are at a higher risk.

    That source was http://www.who.int/en/
    Well your source clearly stated:

    "This strain resulted in deaths only in people between the ages of 25 and 50."

    I'm not sure what's more worrying, the fact they presumed that the strain of influenza only kills 25-50 year olds without knowing it's completely unbiased to age, or the fact it came from a "World Health Organisation" which should know better not to make unjust presumptions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GommeInc View Post
    Well your source clearly stated:

    "This strain resulted in deaths only in people between the ages of 25 and 50."

    I'm not sure what's more worrying, the fact they presumed that the strain of influenza only kills 25-50 year olds without knowing it's completely unbiased to age, or the fact it came from a "World Health Organisation" which should know better not to make unjust presumptions...
    Well it seems to be affecting the age region from scientific data...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GommeInc View Post
    May I also point out that you can have an amazingly good immune system and still get flu Flu attacks and goes through an immune system, which is why anyone can get it. Immunity is just a tiny barrier. Some illnesses infact take out (or shut down) the immune system to allow other illnesses to take over. Not all illnesses have this "black and white" take on things. They're all random. Think of yourself as a computer. A firewall is there only to prevent a virus getting through (worm, whatever, technicalities aren't too important) while some bypass it.
    Your theory is wrong, but the outcome is the same.

    The immune system relys on identifying the virus before it can kill it, and creating the correct method takes time. If you've had the virus before. The immune system remembers what to do, and how to destroy the virus, and can do so alot faster, and you won't feel the symptoms. It's why you only present the chicken pox symptoms once, even though you make have contracted it alot more than that.
    The reason the flu virus is not always prevented, is because the virus mutates once in a while, so the body's readied method of destroying the virus is ineffective (this is why HIV/AIDS is so difficult to deal with, it mutates alot more often than flu). It's why elderly people need a flu jab once, or twice, a year. Younger people have stronger immune systems, so can deal with it without it being lethal.

    I'm not entirely sure how much this differs with swine flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GommeInc View Post
    Well your source clearly stated:

    "This strain resulted in deaths only in people between the ages of 25 and 50."

    I'm not sure what's more worrying, the fact they presumed that the strain of influenza only kills 25-50 year olds without knowing it's completely unbiased to age, or the fact it came from a "World Health Organisation" which should know better not to make unjust presumptions...
    Note resulted

    Not results, they were saying the only people who had died were between that age, they weren't presuming anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeyseph View Post
    Note resulted

    Not results, they were saying the only people who had died were between that age, they weren't presuming anything.
    Ah but that's when you consider that the virus is still going around. They shouldn't make up "results" for something that is still going on, they should make claims to judge the future rather than make the past write the future What I mean is:

    They should claim that, although 25-50 year olds have died of this virus, it is still possible for anyone of any age can get it. What they did in that article/sentence, was make it seem that the virus is dead and gone, "resulted" usually refering to past events while "has resulted" infers that the virus is still around, but so far has killed xxx. What I'm getting at is that it makes it look like anyone around those ages is immune to it and that the virus will not effect anyone, aswell as making it look like the virus no longer exists by the dreadful use of wording.

    Yes, it killed 25-50 year olds, but there is still the risk of others getting the virus. That's like saying "So far, only 18-21 year olds have died of aids. (obviously I've made up that fact )" But the risk of a 17 year old getting it or a 22 year old getting it is about the same. The claim in that source suggests all of us using this forum are going to be fine, because the past "proves" only people older than 25 are going to get it.

    It's an invalid source, purely because it's referring to the past and not a claim to a theory that it can effect any age group
    Last edited by GommeInc; 29-04-2009 at 05:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GommeInc View Post
    Ah but that's when you consider that the virus is still going around. They shouldn't make up "results" for something that is still going on, they should make claims to judge the future rather than make the past write the future What I mean is:

    They should claim that, although 25-50 year olds have died of this virus, it is still possible for anyone of any age can get it. What they did in that article/sentence, was make it seem that the virus is dead and gone, "resulted" usually refering to past events while "has resulted" infers that the virus is still around, but so far has killed xxx. What I'm getting at is that it makes it look like anyone around those ages is immune to it and that the virus will not effect anyone, aswell as making it look like the virus no longer exists by the dreadful use of wording.

    Yes, it killed 25-50 year olds, but there is still the risk of others getting the virus. That's like saying "So far, only 18-21 year olds have died of aids. (obviously I've made up that fact )" But the risk of a 17 year old getting it or a 22 year old getting it is about the same. The claim in that source suggests all of us using this forum are going to be fine, because the past "proves" only people older than 25 are going to get it.

    It's an invalid source, purely because it's referring to the past and not a claim to a theory that it can effect any age group
    Well in the last 1918 big outbreak it killed millions mainly the healthy and ages 15–34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voiding View Post
    Well in the last 1918 big outbreak it killed millions mainly the healthy and ages 15–34.
    That means very little though, it killed anyone. Look at your wording, you said it too - by using the word "mainly." Mainly doesn't mean only, so it did kill people outside of those margins too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GommeInc View Post
    That means very little though, it killed anyone. Look at your wording, you said it too - by using the word "mainly." Mainly doesn't mean only, so it did kill people outside of those margins too.
    Ok, the healthy and middle aged were the people affected the most, where young and elderly seemed to be THAT affected by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voiding View Post
    Ok, the healthy and middle aged were the people affected the most, where young and elderly seemed to be THAT affected by it.
    Which basically means, everyone is vulnerable. There are just some groups of people that are more vulnerable than others

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    k we're all gnna die of swine flu


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