*DEBATE* The Iraq war, right or wrong?

[RedStratocas]

I agree.

I am also saying that I think they are hiding facts about why we went to war so "I" dont want to say that we did it for a right or wrong reason. Because I think we dont know the whole story.

We should be mad BECAUSE we dont know the whole story. We must assume the worst so that they tell us how it really is to prove us wrong.

But before the was Sadam was toturing his people and it was a dictator ship. Because we wont pull out untill there is democracy, Iraq will be a better place when we leave. I know that alot of bad things are happening to Iraq but that is because there is a war going on. Americans died in the war of independence but that doesnt mean that independence was not worth it.

There are many insane leaders all around the world who are worse that Saddam, so why Iraq? The Revolutionary War was worth it because there was something to fight for. That isnt the case here. We're making it worse. Most, if not all Iraqis dont want us there. So why should we be there?

I agree that we have the right to criticize what they are doing. I stated that "I" dont want to say that we did it for a right or wrong reason. Because I think we dont know the whole story. I know the government makes mistakes but they are not going to pourposly make bad choices.

Obviously they dont purposly dont make bad choices, but a 3 year old doesnt purposly crap his pants either. Doesnt mean you dont try to stop him from doing it.

Well Bush just signed a bill legalizing them

http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=36723

Anyways I agree that it is bad to tourture innocent people, but we were talking about this in my history class a while ago. Some of the prisioners were giving information about future attacks (probably through torture). If they give the information which turns out to be true then they are obviously not innocent people. So they probably have more information.

Now is the moral choice.

Do we toture them more untill they give us more information to save thousanda of innocent citazens lives?

Or do we keep our morals high and put the terrorst in a regular prision?

Should we keep our morals high or step lower to their morals.

Obviously everyone has differnt oppinions about this but I think in that case it would be ok to toture them for more information about future attacks.

Yes, I know Bush legalized it, thats why everyone is mad at him for it. And I highly doubt any decent information has come from any inmate from anywhere. If a prisoner gives information, its probably false information just so theyll stop torturing him.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The reason they didn't find any Weapons of Mass detruction is because..

There were never any !

[BL!NKEY]

We should be mad BECAUSE we dont know the whole story. We must assume the worst so that they tell us how it really is to prove us wrong.

We can be mad that we dont know the story. But that doesnt mean that we "must" assume the worst. The worst would be if Bush was putting infants in bombs and throwing them at iraquies learning how to read in school. Well I bet we can assume a worse circumstance. As I did before I will put quotes around "I" dont think we have enough evidence to say if the war is right or wrong. That doesnt mean it is right and doesnt mean it is wrong.

That isnt the case here. We're making it worse. Most, if not all Iraqis dont want us there. So why should we be there?

Do you think Iraq will be a worse place when we leave then it was before we got there. Besides the obvious death of everyone in the war.

Obviously they dont purposly dont make bad choices, but a 3 year old doesnt purposly crap his pants either. Doesnt mean you dont try to stop him from doing it.

How is this a good annalagy (sp?) A 3 year old craps their pants on pourpose. They dont know any better. They have to go so they push. The government knows about what they are dealing with and that is why they are in office.

Yes, I know Bush legalized it, thats why everyone is mad at him for it. And I highly doubt any decent information has come from any inmate from anywhere. If a prisoner gives information, its probably false information just so theyll stop torturing him.

You are just saying things like all iraques hate the war and that no prisioners give true information. You can re read my earlier post

Some of the prisioners were giving information about future attacks (probably through torture). If they give the information which turns out to be true then they are obviously not innocent people. So they probably have more information.

Now is the moral choice.

Do we toture them more untill they give us more information to save thousanda of innocent citazens lives?

Or do we keep our morals high and put the terrorst in a regular prision?

Should we keep our morals high or step lower to their morals.

Obviously everyone has differnt oppinions about this but I think in that case it would be ok to toture them for more information about future attacks.

If the information they got was true and helped stop something then they probably have more.

[RedStratocas]

We can be mad that we dont know the story. But that doesnt mean that we "must" assume the worst. The worst would be if Bush was putting infants in bombs and throwing them at iraquies learning how to read in school. Well I bet we can assume a worse circumstance. As I did before I will put quotes around "I" dont think we have enough evidence to say if the war is right or wrong. That doesnt mean it is right and doesnt mean it is wrong.

I think we must assume the worst if we want any information. Otherwise, they can just tell us what they want us to know. If we assume worse than the truth, they would correct us and give us real information.

Do you think Iraq will be a worse place when we leave then it was before we got there. Besides the obvious death of everyone in the war.

Yes. There werent terrorists in Iraq before the war, now there are. We worsened the civil war between Sunnis and Shiites.

How is this a good annalagy (sp?) A 3 year old craps their pants on pourpose. They dont know any better. They have to go so they push. The government knows about what they are dealing with and that is why they are in office.

Exactly. They dont know any better. Thus we lead them to what should be right and what should be done.

Yes, I know Bush legalized it, thats why everyone is mad at him for it. And I highly doubt any decent information has come from any inmate from anywhere. If a prisoner gives information, its probably false information just so theyll stop torturing him.

You are just saying things like all iraques hate the war and that no prisioners give true information. You can re read my earlier post

If the information they got was true and helped stop something then they probably have more.

Iraqis do hate the war, and actual terrorist prisoners dont give real information. All the plots that have claimed to have been foiled were either not legitimate, or had no ties to anything.

[Icarus]

There were No WMD's therefore we should never have been dragged in with Bush, now we're causing more and more trouble. Everyday there are car bombings, gun fights, Violent attacks it's worse there now than it ever was. We should have set up a police force a stable democracy and left but no, we had to stay and make sure all the insurgants [Spelling:rolleyes: ] are either in prison or dead. Why can't we just pull out and leave Bush in there once we pull out he'll realise the mess he's in without us being there and perhaps figure ot a situation out on his own for once. - For example New Orleans flooding, If his deputies and advisors hadn't told him what to do he would of probaly kept sitting behind his desk twiddlying his thumb.
But back to the war. As soon as the Weapons inspectors from the UN came out and said "nope, no weapons there" we should have just left the whole kerfuffle behind but we didn't bush still thought they had....

Did you know? that before we went in about 200+ iraq's had been killed by Sadam in the last 3 years, In the last 3 years we've been there that number has then risen to 900+, No matter what the government say the whole war was a stupid idea. I'm with the general in charge of our army get them out now before we do any more harm.

[RedStratocas]

There were No WMD's therefore we should never have been dragged in with Bush, now we're causing more and more trouble. Everyday there are car bombings, gun fights, Violent attacks it's worse there now than it ever was. We should have set up a police force a stable democracy and left but no, we had to stay and make sure all the insurgants [Spelling:rolleyes: ] are either in prison or dead. Why can't we just pull out and leave Bush in there once we pull out he'll realise the mess he's in without us being there and perhaps figure ot a situation out on his own for once. - For example New Orleans flooding, If his deputies and advisors hadn't told him what to do he would of probaly kept sitting behind his desk twiddlying his thumb.
But back to the war. As soon as the Weapons inspectors from the UN came out and said "nope, no weapons there" we should have just left the whole kerfuffle behind but we didn't bush still thought they had....

Did you know? that before we went in about 200+ iraq's had been killed by Sadam in the last 3 years, In the last 3 years we've been there that number has then risen to 900+, No matter what the government say the whole war was a stupid idea. I'm with the general in charge of our army get them out now before we do any more harm.

900? Not sure what statistic you are talking about, but some estimates for how many Iraqis have died as a result of this war is in the 100,000's. 2.2% of the population has died because of the war. Again, not sure what statistic youre talking about.

[ColyTom]

The reason they didn't find any Weapons of Mass detruction is because..

There were never any !

There may have been. We don't know.

[RedStratocas]

There may have been. We don't know.

They searched pretty well. Theyve had inspectors everywhere.

[Icarus]

900? Not sure what statistic you are talking about, but some estimates for how many Iraqis have died as a result of this war is in the 100,000's. 2.2% of the population has died because of the war. Again, not sure what statistic youre talking about.

O, ye sozit was on bbc news or something, I think it was per day which is just terrifying. It was a little while a go, and I was scraping my mind, all I know is that the pre-war number is right (this stuff is really hard to find on the net all the articles are just saying pull our troops out not very often staistics. Sorry.

Also I bet if everyone who had posted in this debate if they we're given 3 wishes one would be for world piece maybe not but i reckon...