Moderators need to review rule B11

[Hitman]

Well, to be honest I've not seen anything about getting log targets, I'm just reading through threads and checking the whole thing if I have time. I've seen a lot of things I wasn't sure on editing or not, because I didn't want to be editing everything, so I'm not trying to get loads of logs or whatever.

[Orangeesh]

Well to me its commonsense to read the whole thread but if you say you were being pressured into getting a certain number of logs then I can see why they are just scanned to get edits. Mod log targets are pretty nonsensical because of the great variation between the forums. Spam would get a great deal more than say teens. Also some mods spend all day on the forum and others manage a few hours a week. Its not a fair way at all INHO. Ostinato and I would bring that up all the time but it doesn't seemed to have changed at all. Target, reports, objectives all sound very good but will never replace proper personal contact by a mod with the forum. Quality beats quantity every time in my book. Sorry to hear you have resigned Tweety.

Yes, reading the whole thread makes sense, as you say quality beats quantity. But what are management happy to see?
300 edit logs that are normally from scanning posts, seeing that someones post doesn't match the thread title and thinking, pointless/offtopic.

Management treats us like dirt, obviously moderators arnt going to say that because they will most likely get fired. All they do is take you on, tell you to read the guide and get on with it. 'Mistakes are expected'
Mistakes arnt recieved that well with forum members receiving pointless infractions and edits etc.

They really need to work out a new way to help moderators do their job.

Im thinking of encouraging moderators to do say 1 hour moderating a day.
Edit logs will then dont matter as you have done the 1 hour expected and at leats it would be to a high quality. Most of all this will allow moderators to have some time to enjoy the forum themselves.

[Elkaa]

Management treats us like dirt, obviously moderators arnt going to say that because they will most likely get fired. All they do is take you on, tell you to read the guide and get on with it. 'Mistakes are expected'
Mistakes arnt recieved that well with forum members receiving pointless infractions and edits etc.

They really need to work out a new way to help moderators do their job.

Im thinking of encouraging moderators to do say 1 hour moderating a day.
Edit logs will then dont matter as you have done the 1 hour expected and at leats it would be to a high quality. Most of all this will allow moderators to have some time to enjoy the forum themselves.

1) I've never treated any Moderator like dirt. If anyone ever needs to talk, wants to talk or needs a hand with anything, I'm there to talk and assist. What you've said in that statement is completely untrue, and you get all the help you need. You can't expect us to tell you about every single situtation, as it's physically impossible. (Plus that means a bigger guide, and you're already saying it's too big)

2) It was considered to assign a Super Moderator to each of the trial Moderators. This was decided againest. With any new trial (as they will tell you) I gave them several long PM's explaining everything.

3) 1 hour is more than enough.

Whilst logs are important, if someone is just repeating editing the same thing for wrong reasons, when I'm counting them in the AdminCP it shows. Anything which doesn't look right, I question with the moderator.

Furthermore, the Moderator report style has changed (as of next week) - As you would of seen.

[Orangeesh]

1) I've never treated any Moderator like dirt. If anyone ever needs to talk, wants to talk or needs a hand with anything, I'm there to talk and assist. What you've said in that statement is completely untrue, and you get all the help you need. You can't expect us to tell you about every single situtation, as it's physically impossible. (Plus that means a bigger guide, and you're already saying it's too big)

2) It was considered to assign a Super Moderator to each of the trial Moderators. This was decided againest. With any new trial (as they will tell you) I gave them several long PM's explaining everything.

3) 1 hour is more than enough.

Whilst logs are important, if someone is just repeating editing the same thing for wrong reasons, when I'm counting them in the AdminCP it shows. Anything which doesn't look right, I question with the moderator.

Furthermore, the Moderator report style has changed (as of next week) - As you would of seen.

1.) I dont mean in the sense of verbally abusing us as such, More in a sense of expecting to much and not seeing it fm our point of view.

2.) Smods yes, they are there to help, and they do try to help, but there not online all the time, and sometimes not when you need them.

3.) logs are not that important, as long as your getting 25+ in the 3 week period, happy days.

Furthermore, I can't predict the future im afraid.

[GommeInc]

Hmmm, there seems to be a problem with communication between moderators and the manager... What does this guide go through exactly? Because you don't really need a redicuously big guide to follow, a short pocket version is good enough... Or you could code one on the habbox site which works like a Habbo FAQ system, where you click a link which briefly sums up what it's about in a sentence and opens a full, detailed paragraph or so of what to do etc. It would beat a guide, as moderating is common sense (if I remember correctly from working as a moderator). A guide that explains too much confuses people.

[brandon]

1) I've never treated any Moderator like dirt. If anyone ever needs to talk, wants to talk or needs a hand with anything, I'm there to talk and assist. What you've said in that statement is completely untrue, and you get all the help you need. You can't expect us to tell you about every single situtation, as it's physically impossible. (Plus that means a bigger guide, and you're already saying it's too big)

2) It was considered to assign a Super Moderator to each of the trial Moderators. This was decided againest. With any new trial (as they will tell you) I gave them several long PM's explaining everything.

3) 1 hour is more than enough.

Whilst logs are important, if someone is just repeating editing the same thing for wrong reasons, when I'm counting them in the AdminCP it shows. Anything which doesn't look right, I question with the moderator.

Furthermore, the Moderator report style has changed (as of next week) - As you would of seen.

I'm glad to hear. When I was a mod the more mod logs you got the quicker you'd get promoted to Super Mod, regardless of the rule breaking in the forum you moderated etc, forum activity should be taken into consideration aswell.

[Orangeesh]

I'm glad to hear. When I was a mod the more mod logs you got the quicker you'd get promoted to Super Mod, regardless of the rule breaking in the forum you moderated etc, forum activity should be taken into consideration aswell.

Yeh, granted at least management are trying to change it for the better, which shows they do care to a certain extent.

[jesus]

forum activity should be taken into consideration aswell.

I agree.

[Orangeesh]

Firstly, none of the Moderators are encouraged to "build up logs". Editing incorrectly does nothing more than get the Moderator in question warned himself.

I will look into this though, and possibley change the wording of the rule to enable clarification and have a word with a few moderators. (If you could PM me specific examples, that'd be great)

I just noticed thats a complete lie.
How are we not encouraged to build up logs when you expect logs to determine whether we are 'good' moderators, you even base logs to see who can become a good smod. Smods although do have a big amount load to deal with. But surely activity should be more important.

[Elkaa]

I just noticed thats a complete lie.
How are we not encouraged to build up logs when you expect logs to determine whether we are 'good' moderators, you even base logs to see who can become a good smod. Smods although do have a big amount load to deal with. But surely activity should be more important.

Again, it seems you aren't 100% sure what you're talking about.

The main thing that the reports are based on (as I've written in every report since becoming manager) is the "Report to Super Moderator" thread. That thread allows you to have complete freedom around the forum, and just report things when you see them. A high amount of all 3 of the key factors including this would, undoubtabley, not be judged down though.

Also, "you even base logs to see who can become a good smod" - No idea who told you that, but that's a completely invalid statement. Activity is key, and as I mentioned before the report structure will be changing to represent this. Super Moderators are chosen on much more than just the logs/infractions they can give out, because of the increased power they have on the forum.

As we're starting to fall into private Moderator only detail here, I think it's best to stop the comments about this particular subject. The topic at hand is the pointless posting edits, which have now been addressed.