Legalization of Marijuana?

[leah]

don't think it should

[Moh]

I personally think it should, if it was legal, then it would then be a controlled substance and it wouldn't have all the **** drug dealers put in it.

[Nixt]

I personally think it should, if it was legal, then it would then be a controlled substance and it wouldn't have all the **** drug dealers put in it.

Find a dealer who doesn't put **** in it? It's very easy to work out something isn't right with weed. It's not like cocaine or w/e.

[Immenseman]

No, it should remain illegal. It's not that dangerous if you do it occasionally but it has been proven long term damage leads to abnormality such as schizophrenia. People are still going to do it regardless but that doesn't make it right. I imagine a lot of people on here have tried it because it isn't very uncommon but if you were to leagalise it it'd be used more widespread.

[FlyingJesus]

My view on them is that they are just the lame man's way of proving how boring they are that they have to resort to a substance to pass the time or to make them seem more interesting to people in their surroundings (like going clubbing for instance).

I don't think most people need drugs or alcohol to have a good time (although I know some who do) but it heightens the senses and the general feel of it, so why not? I used to think like that but some experiences really are much better off your face lol

That said I still agree with you that it should remain illegal, just for very different reasons we're not allowed to wholly agree on anything, that's a law

[LeeroyJenkins]

libertarian here and i scream legalize it!!!1

the war on drugs is a waste of damn money, when the money can be used for different stuff.

i'll break it down for ya;
illegal marijuana = more people in jail
more people in jail = more tax dollars or wutever the uk uses wasted
more people in jail = less space for real criminals such as murderersss

da pulis needs to take care of real criminals, not nonviolent high people.
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[FlyingJesus]

Are you a libertarian because you're a kid who wants to be allowed to do as they please or do you actually think it's socially and economically viable?

Legal marijuana = need to moderate it
Need to moderate it = whole new departments, laws taxes and licensing
Standardised marijuana strains = less happy customers, street dealers still needing to be cleaned out

All of this costing lots of government money to set up, and I don't believe the tax benefits of legalising marijuana would cover that cost unless the price was raised to extortion, and if that happened then street dealers would still sell at fractionally raised prices and the government still sees none of the money.

[LeeroyJenkins]

Are you a libertarian because you're a kid who wants to be allowed to do as they please or do you actually think it's socially and economically viable?

Legal marijuana = need to moderate it
Need to moderate it = whole new departments, laws taxes and licensing
Standardised marijuana strains = less happy customers, street dealers still needing to be cleaned out

All of this costing lots of government money to set up, and I don't believe the tax benefits of legalising marijuana would cover that cost unless the price was raised to extortion, and if that happened then street dealers would still sell at fractionally raised prices and the government still sees none of the money.

no no no. i am not that. (srry sometimes i think this is 4chan)

you may be quite right on the government part but it's just a theory. you live in the UK amirite? if we get this amazing product on the shelves it would do miracles for the people.

2nd off we have wasted (note i'm referring to the US) 300 trillion dollars just on the war on drugs alone by eliminating the marijuana part we can save tons. the uk is probably different is sooo biased on the unhealthy benefits of marijuana when there is just an equal amount of good healthy benefits for it. if you wanna ban something unhealthy get alcohol outta here. alcohol has tons of commercials and kills thousands each year.

as for your part on planting, (note this can be disputed) most people would NOt wana mess around with a marijuana plant. let's say the government says that your free to grow your own marijuana just as long as you have a permit. i know i wouldn't wanna mess around with a plant. to get to the high quality of a GOOD marijuana plant it takes time and effort.

you need to think. yes there will be a lot to go through such as government. as for unhappy people elaborate on that?

all i can say now, it's a damn plant. it's quite pointless to illegalize something that grows in soil, with water, and with sunlight.

read this btw.
http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-...aign=111708956

[FlyingJesus]

I'd hardly call it an "amazing product", I've had my dealings with it in the past and the main reason I don't do it any more is that it was just not giving me any effect. This is possibly because it's a depressant and I'm already about as chilled as it gets, but the idea of using a drug recreationally is that you're on it for the pure purpose of enjoying yourself - something we see less and less more recently as people take to smoking it alone for relaxation, which is then a personal problem and needs to be sorted properly rather than temporarily with drugs (legal or not). Medical marijuana already is legal and available for some people if it's deemed necessary, although not prescribed to smoke as far as I'm aware.

My argument here though isn't a moral one (as when I think something is actually profitable I'm pretty liberal myself and it's not like I don't ingest anything toxic) but socio-economic. Whilst it's true that a massive amount has been spent on policing drugs, the cost of doing so for marijuana is nowhere near that needed for finding, following and convicting coke cartels and heroin traffickers, and while it'd be nice to be able to say "just let it go" that would just open up several cans of worms (with teeth) and would be terrible irresponsible. The solution then would seem to be to have it government controlled like aspirin or morphine, which as I mentioned would cost far more than any tax benefits they could reap from it. Consider that even now it's fairly pricey for what you get, and if it's taxed anything near as much as alcohol and tobacco you could expect at least a doubling in price.

About planting: I know personally at least 4 or 5 people who've tried it, albeit unsuccessfully for the most part, and I know that a lot of small-time dealers do grow their own in modified attics and greenhouses, as it's not that hard with the right equipment. The main reason for failure is that people buy only a couple of seeds and expect it to work under a basic UV light, but if it was legalised I'd argue that they'd actually be more willing to attempt it because they could try a larger amount with no risk.

My point about people being unhappy was to do with standardised marijuana strains, which would be completely necessary if the government were to be backing it. As you probably know, there are thousands and thousands of different types of marijuana plant all with different potency and in some cases different effects due to the mixes of chemicals in hybrid plants. I highly doubt that the best Compton superskunk would be sold at the same rate or even same legality as something so badly bred that it resembled tealeaves more than bud, and so of course some people would be forced to get something stronger than they'd like while heavier smokers would be left with something they view as weak. Also again with the prices - if they were shot up by tax then that's not gonna make people happy, and they'll either just not smoke any more or go buy some other, cheaper drugs. Either way the government then loses out on purchase and the customers lose out on something they want to buy.

As I say, I'm not trying to take a moral high ground here nor am I suggesting that people shouldn't smoke, I just really don't think that legalising marijuana is a good or profitable idea for anyone.

[Oleh]

It should stay iilegal because all the people who smoke it will just either move onto something else or the council will make it dearer (its dear already)