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[Dentafrice]

Plus, if the forum decides to grow.. our own code is not going to be as efficient as a popular forum such as vBulletin, and the scaling modifications you can add to vBulletin, and other popular forums are endless.

Scaling our own code takes time. If this was a full time project, that occupied all of our time, then I see your point.

But we all have lives, jobs, and other projects.. and this is a part time thing.

We're making a community that is improved from the community here, that we can facilitate this community.. to our needs.

We already have a little group of people behind us, which is good, because they see the ideas upon which we are starting this on.

If we can get that group, the next time someone asks them for help, they can easily direct them here.. and so on.

Once we get a few people from Habbox, we can try from other forums, as well as using things like Twitter to get things going.

We can easily scan twitter for popular development tags and questions, and possibly direct them to a solution on our forum, ever increasing the WOM popularity of the forum.

There's been more planning to this in my head then you think, just give it time, and give us a chance.. and I'm sure we'll impress you, or at least change your mind in the least bit.

[J0SH]

This new forum is going to be a string of success just like OpinionsFTW

[Excellent2]

So just because it's a project not supported by Invent or Greg, it's going to fail?

And if people "went to my forum", they would not be insulted and or "made to be idiots", unless they were the type of people that come from the Habbo section, into this D&D.

It doesn't matter who it is, I'm just giving my personal opinion.

If you don't really want users to join that are from a habbo background, why post here? You could have just PM'ed the few users who don't really use habbo to inform them.

I will however wish you goodluck.

And Source: It doesn't matter who it is, you and denta are both great at web development so thats all I'm concerned about.

[Dentafrice]

This new forum is going to be a string of success just like OpinionsFTW

Yes, OpinionsFTW was very successful the first month, gaining quite a bit of users.

It doesn't matter who it is, I'm just giving my personal opinion.

If you don't really want users to join that are from a habbo background, why post here? You could have just PM'ed the few users who don't really use habbo to inform them.

I will however wish you goodluck.

And Source: It doesn't matter who it is, you and denta are both great at web development so thats all I'm concerned about.

We're not worrying about users that are from a Habbo background, most of us are from a Habbo background. I am.

We're wanting the users that are generally interested in D&D, learning, expanding their knowledge, etc.

Not the users that visit the D&D just to argue that they are right, when we tell them that their "best mates" design and or coding is horrible.

That is what we want to escape, and we feel that users who are actually interested in D&D will enjoy our environment more then HxF's D&D section's environment.

[Excellent2]

Yes, OpinionsFTW was very successful the first month, gaining quite a bit of users.



We're not worrying about users that are from a Habbo background, most of us are from a Habbo background. I am.

We're wanting the users that are generally interested in D&D, learning, expanding their knowledge, etc.

Not the users that visit the D&D just to argue that they are right, when we tell them that their "best mates" design and or coding is horrible.

That is what we want to escape, and we feel that users who are actually interested in D&D will enjoy our environment more then HxF's D&D section's environment.

Seems like the idea is good but you will need to spend heaps of time marketing it. A good few of the users from here will sign up and then become unactive about a week later, this is because habbox offers activeness and an already established community.

[Dentafrice]

Seems like the idea is good but you will need to spend heaps of time marketing it. A good few of the users from here will sign up and then become unactive about a week later, this is because habbox offers activeness and an already established community.

WOM advertising is a key-point in a forum like this, and I'll be coming up with a strategy in the coming days.

Habbox does offer an active and established community, but you have to realize, those who are actually interested in D&D aren't on Habbox for the "Habbo" activeness in general.

The D&D section on this forum is really dying, and a lot of the members are migrating away from this section, and the forum in general.. because of this section being so bad.

I've had numerous e-mails and PM(s) from older members, chatting, saying they miss the way this section used to be, and would return to a similar setting/environment.

That's what I believe will get this up and running.

[Excellent2]

WOM advertising is a key-point in a forum like this, and I'll be coming up with a strategy in the coming days.

Habbox does offer an active and established community, but you have to realize, those who are actually interested in D&D aren't on Habbox for the "Habbo" activeness in general.

The D&D section on this forum is really dying, and a lot of the members are migrating away from this section, and the forum in general.. because of this section being so bad.

I've had numerous e-mails and PM(s) from older members, chatting, saying they miss the way this section used to be, and would return to a similar setting/environment.

That's what I believe will get this up and running.

I have to disagree with you here. I don't think this forum is dying, I think what it needs is a total rehaul.

• Mods who know what they are doing.
• More projects being produced.
• Less arguments.
• More constructive criticism instead of general bullying.

[MrPinkPanther]

The D&D section on this forum is really dying, and a lot of the members are migrating away from this section, and the forum in general.. because of this section being so bad.

I've had numerous e-mails and PM(s) from older members, chatting, saying they miss the way this section used to be, and would return to a similar setting/environment.

That's what I believe will get this up and running.

People will always leave and more will always join, its just natural. I personally think the D&D section is a hell of a lot better than it used to be. People always say it was the best in 04/05, fact is, it wasnt. It was full of people who bigged themselves up and complained about everyones designs. D&D has been more constructive in the last half a year than it has ever been.

[Dentafrice]

I have to disagree with you here. I don't think this forum is dying, I think what it needs is a total rehaul.

• Mods who know what they are doing.
• More projects being produced.
• Less arguments.
• More constructive criticism instead of general bullying.

People will always leave and more will always join, its just natural. I personally think the D&D section is a hell of a lot better than it used to be. People always say it was the best in 04/05, fact is, it wasnt. It was full of people who bigged themselves up and complained about everyones designs. D&D has been more constructive in the last half a year than it has ever been.

Nothing constructive is coming out of the forum though.

There aren't those structured members there anymore that actually know what they are doing, and are willing to help.

We have those "newbie" designers that attempt to help people, but we don't have those really good designers.. that can actually provide helpful and constructive criticism anymore.

People like [Oli], redtom, and the other members that used to help.

There used to be constructive projects coming out of the forum too, TehUpload was just one project that originated here, along with quite a few I remember.

Nothing good is coming out of this forum anymore, which is why we need an overhaul.

We're not going to get good mods, that's the end of the story there, it's proven.

[Excellent2]

Thing is Habbox should listen to what we have to say. The D&D section is a big part of this forum and we have useless mods moderating it. There are a lot of decent designers left on here, granted, they don't have the experience of someone like Oli, redtom or Awfy but they are showing signs of progressing. What we need to do is nurture and embrace these sorts of people just as others have with me. People like Source and Awfy have helped me a great deal with my designing. If we just had patience and a more positive attitude toward these people, they could be the 'new generation' of this section.

Edit: Also, creating a new forum will just kill the D&D section all together.