Iraq now 'finished' for United Kingdom

[cocaine]

your debates are pointless lol, life with and without saddam would still be crap.

[alexxxxx]

he's just learned about some political thing from reading his dad's daily mail and thinks he's an economic expert from GCSE Economics.

These arguments are a bit pointless tbh. You don't know how it was like living in Iraq because you weren't there then and you aren't there now. End of.

[-:Undertaker:-]

you don't need nuclear weapons to harm your own people.
stop thinking you're all it.

Can you tell me since when were you part of the Ba'ath regime and were you get your sources from, Saddam was no threat to the west or even his neighbours and Iraq internal security at that time was as safe as it had ever been in Iraqi history since the British Mandate.

I want you to debate/discuss this with me, if you think your right then debate your point instead of posting comments which have nothing to do/do not match the discussion that is going on.

I will ask again, what signs according to you showed that the Ba'ath regime was planning a mass crime against humanity or was near collapse in Iraq? - and also, why did the United States, United Kingdom and Kingdom of Spain stress the WMD claim and not stress they were going into Iraq to stop a civil war erupting?

he's just learned about some political thing from reading his dad's daily mail and thinks he's an economic expert from GCSE Economics.

These arguments are a bit pointless tbh. You don't know how it was like living in Iraq because you weren't there then and you aren't there now. End of.

Then don't take part, no one is making you, i'd rather you didn't because everytime you do you either stop replying (as is the case with the other debates) or you bring up the Daily Mail which has nothing at all to do with the subject.

If we needed to live through every historical event and be there to have an opinion on it, then we'd be unbiased about the Third Reich and we wouldn't have any political/historical opinions at all.

[Ardemax]

Can you tell me since when were you part of the Ba'ath regime and were you get your sources from, Saddam was no threat to the west or even his neighbours and Iraq internal security at that time was as safe as it had ever been in Iraqi history since the British Mandate.

I want you to debate/discuss this with me, if you think your right then debate your point instead of posting comments which have nothing to do/do not match the discussion that is going on.

I will ask again, what signs according to you showed that the Ba'ath regime was planning a mass crime against humanity or was near collapse in Iraq? - and also, why did the United States, United Kingdom and Kingdom of Spain stress the WMD claim and not stress they were going into Iraq to stop a civil war erupting?



Then don't take part, no one is making you, i'd rather you didn't because everytime you do you either stop replying (as is the case with the other debates) or you bring up the Daily Mail which has nothing at all to do with the subject.

If we needed to live through every historical event and be there to have an opinion on it, then we'd be unbiased about the Third Reich and we wouldn't have any political/historical opinions at all.

He was a threat to his own people and a possible threat to us, it was our duty to help.

Now will you stop taking Saddam's side?

[-:Undertaker:-]

He was a threat to his own people and a possible threat to us, it was our duty to help.

Now will you stop taking Saddam's side?

He wasn't a threat to his own people at that time as nothing had occured in the country for many years and the regime was stable along with the military, police and government.

He wasn't a threat to us, because he had no military capability to launch an attack on his neighbours, let alone the west. Are you claiming he had nuclear weapons now?

I'm not taking his side, as I have said before of course he was brutal. In history and politics to have an opinion you look at other situations and neighbouring countries to reach a reasonable opinion, I would like the whole middle east to be able to have elections and democratically elected governments like ours, but that isn't reasonable as shown in Pakistan.

[alexxxxx]

Then don't take part, no one is making you, i'd rather you didn't because everytime you do you either stop replying (as is the case with the other debates) or you bring up the Daily Mail which has nothing at all to do with the subject.

If we needed to live through every historical event and be there to have an opinion on it, then we'd be unbiased about the Third Reich and we wouldn't have any political/historical opinions at all.

Which one didn't I reply to? And also, the Iraq war is a recent event, detailed infomation on the Nazis, how they operated, the atrocities they commited have been documented over along time. The (latest) Iraq war is relatively recent, therefore a long-term view of the conflict, the state of the nation before and after the event has not been observed. I don't know for sure if it is better than before and neither do you.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Which one didn't I reply to? And also, the Iraq war is a recent event, detailed infomation on the Nazis, how they operated, the atrocities they commited have been documented over along time. The (latest) Iraq war is relatively recent, therefore a long-term view of the conflict, the state of the nation before and after the event has not been observed. I don't know for sure if it is better than before and neither do you.

Monarchy or Republic.

Of course, with time more things are revealed as is the way with history. However i'm afraid we're in 2009 right now and not 2019 and therefore with the evidence and events that have occured since 1920 when the British Mandate was formed after the Ottoman Empire fell after World War I. No one can ever be 100% sure, because as with history and politics different groups of people always fair better than others, however I can have a constructive opinion on the Ba'ath regime and the middle east.

Since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003 Iraq is now more dangerous to us, and how do I draw this conclusion? - because not only do the United States and United Kingdom and Turkey all have problems with Al Qaeda there now, but also because before that Iraq had nowhere near, if not none at all terrorist attacks occuring.

The you weren't there claim whenever used in a discussion/debate points towards the other side not having an opinion on the subject or the other side lost for words. Of course I wasn't in Iraq, but neither was I in the Third Reich, Soviet Union, British Empire and so on but I still have an opinion on them and i'm totally allowed to.

[alexxxxx]

Monarchy or Republic.

Of course, with time more things are revealed as is the way with history. However i'm afraid we're in 2009 right now and not 2019 and therefore with the evidence and events that have occured since 1920 when the British Mandate was formed after the Ottoman Empire fell after World War I. No one can ever be 100% sure, because as with history and politics different groups of people always fair better than others, however I can have a constructive opinion on the Ba'ath regime and the middle east.

Since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003 Iraq is now more dangerous to us, and how do I draw this conclusion? - because not only do the United States and United Kingdom and Turkey all have problems with Al Qaeda there now, but also because before that Iraq had nowhere near, if not none at all terrorist attacks occuring.

The you weren't there claim whenever used in a discussion/debate points towards the other side not having an opinion on the subject or the other side lost for words. Of course I wasn't in Iraq, but neither was I in the Third Reich, Soviet Union, British Empire and so on but I still have an opinion on them and i'm totally allowed to.

I actually agree with you, I believe we probably are more in danger and I believe all the war did was give oil companies contracts. And it probably is a more dangerous place. Just stop acting like you know what it's like there, you don't know the majority of Iraqi's views and you don't live there. There will be those who are better off and those who are worse off. You can't tar everyone with the same brush, it's cliché but true.

[Ardemax]

He wasn't a threat to his own people at that time as nothing had occured in the country for many years and the regime was stable along with the military, police and government.

He wasn't a threat to us, because he had no military capability to launch an attack on his neighbours, let alone the west. Are you claiming he had nuclear weapons now?

I'm not taking his side, as I have said before of course he was brutal. In history and politics to have an opinion you look at other situations and neighbouring countries to reach a reasonable opinion, I would like the whole middle east to be able to have elections and democratically elected governments like ours, but that isn't reasonable as shown in Pakistan.

you contradict yourself

and since when did i type the words apart from the following quote, "Saddam Hussain had nuclear weapons".

tyvm

[-:Undertaker:-]

I actually agree with you, I believe we probably are more in danger and I believe all the war did was give oil companies contracts. And it probably is a more dangerous place. Just stop acting like you know what it's like there, you don't know the majority of Iraqi's views and you don't live there. There will be those who are better off and those who are worse off. You can't tar everyone with the same brush, it's cliché but true.

Your correct, because some people such as the Kurds who want an independant state will be over the moon Saddam and the Ba'ath regime are gone, they probably wanted nothing better. I am looking at the bigger picture, in which some people are still fooled by the image the Bush Administration created of some mystic titan rogue state with WMD capable of reaching the west in 45 minutes, which we all know now to be complete nonsense.

He was brutal and harsh of course, but theres harsh for a reason and then theres harsh for idealogical purposes, namely, Iran.