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[GommeInc]

I know it doesn't on Dell, HP, RM and Apple computers for a fact actually....

I've only ever seen warranty stickers and the like on Acers :S Dell computers used to solder things down (or glue, both possibly) - they don't now though. Besides, why would you need warranty? Computers are horrifically easy to fix All the computers in this house have been easy to play around in Not directed at you Mr. Android

[Mentor]

You must have got lucky then because most manufacturers get cases that are large enough for the parts they have put in instead of what people could put in in the future and I wouldn't like to update a motherboard plus cpu in a manufactured pc, that would be hell.

Oh an besides just opening up the case of a manufactured pc voids the warranty lol

You dont get a warranty at all on a custom build so whats your point? Go for the cheapest way to get the parts you need, be it putting em together yourself or buying em pre assembled o.0

Cases are cheap anyway, if you gonna change a mobo, you may as well just buy a whole new pc and leave the old one, in its case as it is. Other than usb 3.0 etc cant think of much thats likely to change on mobos in the near future anyway o.0

[ElliottThompson]

You dont get a warranty at all on a custom build so whats your point? Go for the cheapest way to get the parts you need, be it putting em together yourself or buying em pre assembled o.0

Cases are cheap anyway, if you gonna change a mobo, you may as well just buy a whole new pc and leave the old one, in its case as it is. Other than usb 3.0 etc cant think of much thats likely to change on mobos in the near future anyway o.0

sigh- every single piece of hardware you buy for your custom pc comes with its own warranty, which you can claim for without affecting the rest of your pc. Your on a rampage tonight!

[Mentor]

sigh- every single piece of hardware you buy for your custom pc comes with its own warranty, which you can claim for without affecting the rest of your pc. Your on a rampage tonight!

Yes, indeed they can have warranties. Just because the components can have a warranty, it does not mean they do. I'm not the one claiming every pre-built pc comes with a non-standard size mobo, or that opening the case of em voids any warranty (which has been pointed out to be untrue, at least with the majority of standard manufactures)

[Recursion]

I am also pretty sure Dell stopped using non-standard motherboard layouts too, not 100% on that one though.

[Mentor]

I am also pretty sure Dell stopped using non-standard motherboard layouts too, not 100% on that one though.

I have a few 3 year old dell,s mobos are standard in em and tbh, i dont ever remember seeing one in a dell that wasn't? old or new.

[ElliottThompson]

Yes, indeed they can have warranties. Just because the components can have a warranty, it does not mean they do. I'm not the one claiming every pre-built pc comes with a non-standard size mobo, or that opening the case of em voids any warranty (which has been pointed out to be untrue, at least with the majority of standard manufactures)

Oh sorry for using my personal knowledge of working at a computer sales store at which I spent time sticking those stickers on such PC's. Just looking at two dell pc's and an advent pc in my house they all have holographic stickers on them stating that if this seal is broken the warranty will be void.
And it's a legal requirement to offer a warranty with a product, whether it be an express warranty or an implied warranty companies cant just sell products "as is" unless were talking about market stalls lol.

Last point: Why do you constantly feel the need to shove words into my mouth, Manufactured pc's are more likely to use non standardised mobo sizes in pc's as they are looking to sell a pc as it is, not one that can be customised afterwards. Manufactured pc's are sold to a mainstream audience, my grandma recently bought a manufactured pc from dell, she will not even be thinking about upgrading her pc afterwards. Manufacturers know that they will also be dealing with these people and build accordingly, manufacturers who build parts know they won't have this problem.

http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
I think its clear to see that companies like dell arn't always thinking on the lines of upgradable pc's.
In no way shape or form are those examples as best adapted to upgrading as a custom built pc that I have thought about and considered how future proof it is. Oh and besides, dell isnt even as kind as to show the mobo's form factor, great so I won't even know the mobo form factor untill I've bought it :L
And btw a big reason to want to upgrade your mobo is the cpu socket, as If i want an i7 chip that wont be possible without a new mobo :L

[Recursion]

Actually they are a case standard, ever heard of "Low profile" for links 1 and 3? :|

And for 2 and 4 you picked the products targetted at people who aren't so computer savvy, in actual fact I should think number 4 is upgradable, possibly even number 2 to an extent.

I have NEVER Seen these holographic warranty stickers on, please do post pictures? "Your personal knowledge" is like me saying I know about air traffic control because I did two weeks work experiance in a control tower, just no.

Flisker upgraded his Dell from changing the case, to the RAM, to the PSU and GPU, just as an example.

I have just found Dell do indeed use ATX, mATX and BTX motherboards, all of which are standards.

[Mentor]

Oh sorry for using my personal knowledge of working at a computer sales store at which I spent time sticking those stickers on such PC's. Just looking at two dell pc's and an advent pc in my house they all have holographic stickers on them stating that if this seal is broken the warranty will be void.

Wow, thats odd, none of the dells or advents i own have these stickers. Maybe since my prebuilt computers came in the box's you did have a chance to stick your stickers on them...

Generally the manufacture does the warrenty, not the seller, so why you in a sales job are attaching these stickers i dont know.

And it's a legal requirement to offer a warranty with a product, whether it be an express warranty or an implied warranty companies cant just sell products "as is" unless were talking about market stalls lol.

Actually, no. just no. Your talking out your ass here. A warranty is not required and is often sold as an extra. It is in addition to your normal statutory rights.

feel free to take a read: http://www.lawguarantee.com/consumer...ty-law-uk.html

Last point: Why do you constantly feel the need to shove words into my mouth, Manufactured pc's are more likely to use non standardised mobo sizes in pc's as they are looking to sell a pc as it is, not one that can be customised afterwards. Manufactured pc's are sold to a mainstream audience, my grandma recently bought a manufactured pc from dell, she will not even be thinking about upgrading her pc afterwards. Manufacturers know that they will also be dealing with these people and build accordingly, manufacturers who build parts know they won't have this problem.

http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
I think its clear to see that companies like dell arn't always thinking on the lines of upgradable pc's.
In no way shape or form are those examples as best adapted to upgrading as a custom built pc that I have thought about and considered how future proof it is. Oh and besides, dell isnt even as kind as to show the mobo's form factor, great so I won't even know the mobo form factor untill I've bought it :L
And btw a big reason to want to upgrade your mobo is the cpu socket, as If i want an i7 chip that wont be possible without a new mobo :L

Yea... atx aint the only mobo size, they all look standard to me. Pc's use standard components as they are cheaper, easier to work with and saves dell having to create a new manufacturing plant every time they wana do a new pc range.

Seeing as a cpu generally covers at least a 3rd of a pc's total cost, and the mobo especially in i7's not far behind, if your gonna pretty much be buying a new pc, why not just buy a new one and have two instead of scraping a perfectly good mobo and cpu? By the time u upgrade em chances are any gfx card you have would be out of date anyway. Tech moves fast after all..

If you wana pick me up on things i get wrong, try targeting the bits im wrong on.

[ElliottThompson]

I clearly said that these companies are obviously not as adept at making product's that have upgradability in mind compared to actually buying the parts yourself, especially a company that had this as their flagship model at one point:
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/1056856...p_Computer.jpg
I think you guys may be getting a little sidetracked, I didn't say that they arn't I said that they are a little harder to upgrade as they are not aimed specifically at pc builders who are the people most likely to upgrade.

And here are some examples of those stickers:
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/1056856...p_Computer.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8769/dsc00083yx1.jpg
http://www.case-badges.com/images/ta...fore-after.jpg

Oh and remind me never to make a point again as I will obviously be hounded by people desperate to prove me wrong and change the debate into something its clearly wasn't.
lol at the seal btw :>

"It’s important to remember that manufacturers’ guarantees are in addition to your statutory responsibilities as a supplier under the Sale of Goods Act. A supplier cannot, for instance, refuse to deal with a customer’s complaint about a faulty product simply on the grounds that the product is outside its guarantee period."
All that means is that guarantee's don't affect your statutory rights, It gives a clear example there, that show's in no way that its not a legal requirement. Meaning that after a guarantee has expired a company still has to see to the customers statutory rights, that does not mean that the guarantee is a non necessary addition.
I'm not going to continue with this, weve moved onto an argument over warranties, I won't be visiting this thread again.