Overly Moderated?

xxMATTGxx · 09-08-2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Alkaz

I think that from like last winter its become very strict but peoples general behaviour and demeanor on the forum has got far worse which has ultimately resulted in harsher and more frequent warnings and infractions. If your sexy then you should be fine.

You make me smile.

Originally Posted by Robald

*reads every essay* Jeeze.

So did people (Jake) actually get infracted regarding that thread - is that what this is all about?

No I fully accept that was against the rules and was my own fault. I mean for example, I recently posted an alteration and ended the opening post with, "Slate ******es :8" and got a PM for "avoiding the filter" (PLEASE DON'T DO IT NOW I'M OBVIOUSLY ONLY MAKING A POINT lol). Anyway, when I wrote that word, I wasn't intending to avoid the filter, I was intending to write that specific word. I don't know how others perceive it but even if it has derrived from a rude word, I see it as a completly new one which the meaning of has morphed away from being slanderous, much like plenty of words in the English Language today; "gay" or "*****" (e.g. "facebook *****"). I did a whole A-level course on this .

The other instance I had in mind was when I called someone a "loser". Just to form a little bit of context, I didn't write, "you are a loser" but I merely made a one word sentence of it after expressing my disappointment of a pointless negative reputation the user had left me. Of course I am not denying this was techinically an insult aimed at another member and was rude. But as I think Catzsy was mentioning earlier, the other user didn't express any offence to what I had said and to be fair, you would need to pretty messed up to be offended by such a word written by itself.

Besides, if we're not allowed to say the word, filter it.

Quick question about warnings. You say those PMs don't show up on profiles? How do you keep track of how many PMs the user has been sent because they usually say, "if it happens again you will be warned then infracted"?

First of, Jake didn't get any infractions regarding that thread. Only two people did but that's private information.

Yeah it's fine for you to say "If we're not allowed to say the world, filter it" Fair enough, but there is more than 1,000 words that would have to be filtered and still not all of them would be on the filter system. If you don't want to get warnings/infractions, people need to read the rules and maybe think a little before posting first.

To your final/quick question. There are things on your profile called "Usernotes". Usernotes are used by the Moderation Department to keep log of any "first" rule breaking or information regarding the user. Basically its a copy of the PM they send you, when you first break a rule.

Catzsy · 09-08-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Immenseman

My posts were aimed at WizingWiz originally who was insulting me for my 1 post (I think) in that thread last night. I didn't expect the thread to stay there, obviously not. I fully expected it to be closed and maybe moved which it was. That doesn't shy away from the fact that the thread was created for and was a joke. Whether you agree with the joke or not is another matter. That comes down to opinion. If you don't think it was a joke which you obviously don't well at least your post certainly implies that then do you think all 15 people or what not who posted in there are racists?

Well it is interesting that you are defending the thread starter here - where is he to defend the thread? In thread 7 people posted in favour of it and 12 against a couple of whom said it was an absolute disgrace to Habbox. So it seems that quite a few who actually saw the thread have the same opinion as Matt and I. I was not even thinking about your contribution in the thread - it was the first post which was the problem not 90% of the posts.

So you're telling me you've never heard of the numerous campaigns "British Jobs for British Workers"?! They are often on the news and are very controversial. The thread was merely a mimmick at that and taking the mick out of those people who are genuinely that narrow minded to support such movements.

Of course I have which has nothing to do with the comments in the first post in this thread. Again tell me does the thread starter have a history of joking in this area and where is he to defend the posting of it?

I'm perfectly aware it could have been posted in spam by the user, but it wasn't. The forum rules allow you to deal with that appropriately. So you think the thread was racist but it should have been posted in Spam? I'm pretty sure racism isn't allowed in spam either

like Matt rightly said there is no room for racism on HxF.

No you are just twisting my words and you know it.

I still maintain that posting it in feedback probably was not a mistake and was done knowing that if it had been posted in spam it would have been closed and moved very quickly.

My quote with the 8 which you originally replied to was including warnings so I have no idea why you've cut it down to infractions. The fact remains you said a majority of my reversed negative sanctions have been because a member sent a PM informing the moderation department it was in fact a joke. That's 3 out of 8, which isn't even half thus clearly not a majority

Hmm well I thought we were talking about present moderation here? Sorry that's what I thought the thread was about. Okay here is the record of the 8 you have been talking about which goes right back to January.

04-01-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member
14-04-2009 Infraction reversed [not mod department]
20-04-2009 Infraction reversed - turned into a warning
26-05-2009 Infraction reversed - turned into a warning
20-06-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member
30-06-2009 Infraction reversed
05-07-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member
25-07-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member

As you can see only one infraction issued by the moderation department has been fully reversed without a pm from a member. Obviously I would not not normally post this but in this case as you asked it was the only way to illustrate it fully.

I wouldn't mind having light hearted threads aimed at me like I may create a light hearted thread about a user. Not to offend them but to poke fun and if both parties are content with it then I don't see the issue. I wouldn't do it to someone who was going to kick off about it because that wouldn't be worth it.
It's almost as if I'm being told I can't actually have a joke on the forum. Many jokes revolve around a bit of banter and that is what myself and others have been penalised for, something you wouldn't have been penalised for a while ago.
If you can't poke fun at such serious situations then everyone will be stuck in the stone age with sober faces! Of course it was the right thing for the thread to be moved but like I said the post you originally quoted me in within this thread wasn't aimed at you but rather someone insulting me for how I got involved, when I only made one or two posts.

The user has since apologised and that has been forgotten as the thread that was posted should be.

You are not being told you can't have a joke. None of the comments relating to this thread were aimed at you they were aimed at the posting of a racist thread and the contents of the first post mainly not you. You choose to come and defend it that's why I am replying to you.

In a nutshell:

1. The thread should not have been posted because it was racist and the person posting it has been around Habbox long enough to realise that.
2. Had the thread been okay in content it still should not have been posted in feedback.

Thanks

Black_Apalachi · 09-08-2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by MattGarner

[...] Fair enough, but there is more than 1,000 words that would have to be filtered and still not all of them would be on the filter system. [...]

I don't follow..? If you filter words why wouldn't they be on the fiter system? :S

As for user notes, I was aware of those but I thought Catzsy said the PMs about red-text didn't appear on our profiles?

kieranlee999 · 09-08-2009, 10:00 AM

i dont realy mind it means that people will be safe and will not get effected then so :eusa_clap to mods:eusa_wall:eusa_wall:eusa_wall<< i like that 1

xxMATTGxx · 09-08-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Robald

I don't follow..? If you filter words why wouldn't they be on the fiter system? :S

As for user notes, I was aware of those but I thought Catzsy said the PMs about red-text didn't appear on our profiles?

What I'm trying to say is, there are tons of words that are inappropriate, yes? Imagine one of us trying to add them all to the filter system. Some will be missed or forgotten about. Most words are on the filter, if they are not or people "avoid it" then they get punished. I don't understand what you mean about red-text? Simple edits without any PM or usernote added. They don't come up on your profile.

~~Wootzeh~~ · 09-08-2009, 01:23 PM

Yes it is overly moderated, and certain people abuse it by reporting the slightest thing just to get the user banned.

Black_Apalachi · 09-08-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by MattGarner

What I'm trying to say is, there are tons of words that are inappropriate, yes? Imagine one of us trying to add them all to the filter system. Some will be missed or forgotten about. Most words are on the filter, if they are not or people "avoid it" then they get punished. I don't understand what you mean about red-text? Simple edits without any PM or usernote added. They don't come up on your profile.

Oh I thought all edits were followed by a PM. Mine all have been lol. I know it's obviously a big task to filter all the words at once. Why not do them now and again when they arrise? Like when a word is edited out of a post, add it to the filter

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