Do You Think Immigrants Should Serve?

[ifuseekamy]

Thats why immigrants are comming to our countries, to take advantage of and abuse.

If they join armed forces then they are getting education, job experience, money, housing, food, a sense of the nation, learning the language (and becoming more fluent) and respecting their country. It's not just the immediate immigrants, it's their next generation and offspring as they would only tell their cildren the good things about the horrible country they escaped from and the kids would start thinking, "why are we stuck in this crap hole then?" and start disrespecting it. It happens in every single "white" country I've been to.

Most people emmigrate to take advantage of wherever they're moving to, there wouldn't be much point in emmigrating otherwise. I think immigration should be controlled but your idea is impractical. As for "white country", Australia is founded on immigration, it's where we sent out convicts. The indigenous people are aborigines who, by nationalist logic, should be in control of the country. The same goes for native Americans in the USA.

[Ardemax]

if we didn't open our arms in world war 2, what would've happened to the immigrants? oh that's right, been killed.

[-:Undertaker:-]

wow well done by referencing italy in all this, probably the only country on the planet that wouldnt turn on Burlesconi whilst he cheated on his wife with multiple 18year old girls.

the difference between the telegraph and law is that one counts for something whilst the other is only a nudge in a direction of uncertainty. It does annoy everyone when you dont look at statute fact.

im willing to transverse my political opinion even if it goes against my socialist ideology, Undertaker you need to reach middle grounds otherwise discussion cant be developed.

I'm not willing to compromise my view and the mainstream view of the British people when I say enough is enough, for too long have you and the left watered down our country, for too long have you come up with left wing/centre ideas which have ruined this country - so no, I don't have to water down my views to please dwindling numbers of socialists who sadly always have the upper hand when it comes to positions of power.

History showed us what happend when you had centre ground politics (Weimar Republic) and history showed us the poverty and death the left brought on the world (USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam & the United Kingdom during the 1970s). The centre doesn't exist, its just socialism with a smiley face (the Liberal Democrats) - you can't please both sides and get a working solution, it just doesn't happen.

UKIP aren't racist, just have different views?

They have different views that are racist kthnx

..I implore you to show me how the United Kingdom Independance Party are racist.

if we didn't open our arms in world war 2, what would've happened to the immigrants? oh that's right, been killed.

We aren't in a world war at this present time.

[alexxxxx]

I'm not willing to compromise my view and the mainstream view of the British people when I say enough is enough, for too long have you and the left watered down our country, for too long have you come up with left wing/centre ideas which have ruined this country - so no, I don't have to water down my views to please dwindling numbers of socialists who sadly always have the upper hand when it comes to positions of power.

History showed us what happend when you had centre ground politics (Weimar Republic) and history showed us the poverty and death the left brought on the world (USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam & the United Kingdom during the 1970s). The centre doesn't exist, its just socialism with a smiley face (the Liberal Democrats) - you can't please both sides and get a working solution, it just doesn't happen.

Your views are exactly what the material you read makes you feel, like you are part of the outraged majority and that everyone else that doesn't adhere to your views are somewhat lower in moral stature. You group everyone that is an enemy of your nationalist, hate-filled, irrational view in the same group (Asylum Seekers/Illegal Immigrants and Immigrants, for example). A large number of people in the UK are left-wing. They're called the silent majority. The right-wing nutters like those who write in the Daily Mail (Amanda Platell, what a hate-filled woman) and Richard Littledick (plays off intolerance and half-truths) and those who read them somehow feel that they are the majority. It just isn't true. You don't accept facts because they don't agree with your viewpoint, (in fact you dismiss them as liberal propaganda) you aren't rational nor can one argue against you because to argue you need to be able to think rationally. Your mind (from what i gather is like this) is blurred from reality.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Your views are exactly what the material you read makes you feel, like you are part of the outraged majority and that everyone else that doesn't adhere to your views are somewhat lower in moral stature. You group everyone that is an enemy of your nationalist, hate-filled, irrational view in the same group (Asylum Seekers/Illegal Immigrants and Immigrants, for example). A large number of people in the UK are left-wing. They're called the silent majority. The right-wing nutters like those who write in the Daily Mail (Amanda Platell, what a hate-filled woman) and Richard Littledick (plays off intolerance and half-truths) and those who read them somehow feel that they are the majority. It just isn't true. You don't accept facts because they don't agree with your viewpoint, (in fact you dismiss them as liberal propaganda) you aren't rational nor can one argue against you because to argue you need to be able to think rationally. Your mind (from what i gather is like this) is blurred from reality.

Hang on.

Which papers are among the best sellers?

- Daily Mail
- Daily Telegraph

Which paper has to be subsidised by the government (because barely anyone buys it) filled with council non-job advertisements?

- The Guardian

I'm afraid sales tell it all, and you can call us hate filled as much as you want, but it just shows how angry and frustrated you and the left become when people have different opinions to you; you come out and splutter the same old rubbish about..

- how we're xenophobic because we are opposed to surrendering British sovereignty to the unelected European Union, which the government refuses to give us a referendum on because it knows it will lose.

- how we're racist because we want something that nearly every other state in the world has, control over our own borders so we know who is coming in to this country.

- how we're all apparentley upper class & rich because we support an individuals right to work hard, earn his money and spend it on himself, which a government has no right to take away from him.

I'd also like to ask something which you haven't yet backed up; how are the United Kingdom Independance Party racists?

[alexxxxx]

Hang on.

Which papers are among the best sellers?

- Daily Mail
- Daily Telegraph

Which paper has to be subsidised by the government (because barely anyone buys it) filled with council non-job advertisements?

- The Guardian

I'm afraid sales tell it all, and you can call us hate filled as much as you want, but it just shows how angry and frustrated you and the left become when people have different opinions to you; you come out and splutter the same old rubbish about..

- how we're xenophobic because we are opposed to surrendering British sovereignty to the unelected European Union, which the government refuses to give us a referendum on because it knows it will lose.

- how we're racist because we want something that nearly every other state in the world has, control over our own borders so we know who is coming in to this country.

- how we're all apparentley upper class & rich because we support an individuals right to work hard, earn his money and spend it on himself, which a government has no right to take away from him.

I'd also like to ask something which you haven't yet backed up; how are the United Kingdom Independance Party racists?

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/?gusrc=gu...front_jbx_logo

http://jobs.telegraph.co.uk/

I don't see a great deal of difference in the jobs being advertised...

I know liberals who read the daily mail, my parents vote lib dem and read the times and telegraph. It isn't as clear cut. I'm just pointing out that your mind has been corrupted.

We know EXACTLY who comes in and out as there are border controls. Guess you've never been abroad because there's a border check when you get off the boat/plane. We aren't racist!

It's just not right that rich people don't contribute to those in the lower echelons of the socio-economic scale to have the same opportunities that they were born in to. Or that poor people have to choose between eating or medicine. Or people can't afford to better themselves via university or FE colleges. Poor people don't want to be poor and many work hard to no avail or don't have the required training to do that. Right wingers don''t think they should have to pay for that. I think everyone should be able to have an equal start in life. In general, most people agree that richer people should be taxed more than poorer people.

Oh and my racist ukip remark wasn't without any sort of truth. Kilroy Silk was in UKIP and was racist and i suspect there are more and even DC claims that there are 'Closet racists' in the party.

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/?gusrc=gu...front_jbx_logo

http://jobs.telegraph.co.uk/

I don't see a great deal of difference in the jobs being advertised...

I know liberals who read the daily mail, my parents vote lib dem and read the times and telegraph. It isn't as clear cut. I'm just pointing out that your mind has been corrupted.

We know EXACTLY who comes in and out as there are border controls. Guess you've never been abroad because there's a border check when you get off the boat/plane. We aren't racist!

It's just not right that rich people don't contribute to those in the lower echelons of the socio-economic scale to have the same opportunities that they were born in to. Or that poor people have to choose between eating or medicine. Or people can't afford to better themselves via university or FE colleges. Poor people don't want to be poor and many work hard to no avail or don't have the required training to do that. Right wingers don''t think they should have to pay for that. I think everyone should be able to have an equal start in life. In general, most people agree that richer people should be taxed more than poorer people.

My mind hasn't been corrupted just because I disagree with you, it seems that every time I disagree with large scale immigration, the European Union or political correctness that I have apparentley been brainwashed into a Daily Mail cult. I don't need papers to discuss these issues, its you who seems to often feel the need to bring up papers everytime a discussion arises.

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There is one example that I found, only on page two on the Guardian government-jobs website of a useless non-job, sometimes it makes me wonder how did we ever manage without these people?

653 government jobs advertised by the government in a left wing, hardly bought newspaper which is also known as subsidising, and if you cant see that then you're a lost cause. ..compare this to the Telegraph (a popular newspaper) which has 26 central government jobs on its web site.

We do not know who comes here and who doesn't, hence why their are estimates of thousands, if not into hundreds of thousands of the number of people we dont even know here, of course the government or the opposition can't give a number because we havent got any form of control over this. We have border controls of the population here, the law abiding people of this country who have everytime they leave/arrive in this country scanned on a database (which incidently Spain didn't have when I went on holiday) - but thats always the way, Labour have always punished the majority.

In terms of wages, if a somebody has spent years upon years training in university, doing well in school just why should and what right do a government have to take more of a percentage of his wages, none. Infact the more amazing thing is that when Poll Tax was introduced (which ment each individual paid for themselves rather than the householder) their was utter outcry against it, yet Labour have introduced stealth tax after stealth tax hitting the poor and middle class and there are no protests against it - because its Labour.

I can gurantee when the Conservatives again office the country will be crippled by strikes, because the unions cannot stand anyone (just like you) having a different opinion to them, and they'll use every dirty trick in the book to bring the government down, just watch and I know you'll be one of those chanting from the sidelines "look at the state of the country now the Conservatives are in office, strikes taking place all the time.".

I will also ask again; how are UKIP racist?

EDIT:

I'd like you to show me how Robert Kilroy Silk was racist, futhermore theres no proof what so ever that UKIP is racist at all and finally David Cameron can say what he wants, it doesn't mean I have to agree with his every word.

[Ardemax]

..I implore you to show me how the United Kingdom Independance Party are racist.



We aren't in a world war at this present time.

I didn't say we were in a war, you're avoiding the subject because you knew if someone like UKIP were in power in WW2, not only would we have lost but millions more people would've died.

[alexxxxx]

My mind hasn't been corrupted just because I disagree with you, it seems that every time I disagree with large scale immigration, the European Union or political correctness that I have apparentley been brainwashed into a Daily Mail cult. I don't need papers to discuss these issues, its you who seems to often feel the need to bring up papers everytime a discussion arises.

Well seeing as you link relentlessly to the telegraph and moreso to the daily fail what other conclusion am I meant to think? That you are a free-thinker that looks at everything for several viewpoints? Like someone who makes an informed and intelligent argument?

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/91396...-co-ordinator/



There is one example that I found, only on page two on the Guardian government-jobs website of a useless non-job, sometimes it makes me wonder how did we ever manage without these people?

http://jobs.telegraph.co.uk/job/2579...y+Co-ordinator

Career Opportunities

All boroughs are unique. Many are vibrant and multicultural. Some have a rich historical background. Others have a modern edge. Tower Hamlets is all of these - it’s got the TH buzz that’s felt by those who live and work here...

Equality and Diversity Co-ordinator
£34,707 - £37,476

There is one example that I found, on the telegraph government-jobs website of a useless non-job, sometimes it makes me wonder how did we ever manage without these people?

653 government jobs advertised by the government in a left wing, hardly bought newspaper which is also known as subsidising, and if you cant see that then you're a lost cause. ..compare this to the Telegraph (a popular newspaper) which has 26 central government jobs on its web site.

But it has 524 local government jobs. and 26 government jobs, whilst guardian's just goes under 'government'

We do not know who comes here and who doesn't, hence why their are estimates of thousands, if not into hundreds of thousands of the number of people we dont even know here, of course the government or the opposition can't give a number because we havent got any form of control over this. We have border controls of the population here, the law abiding people of this country who have everytime they leave/arrive in this country scanned on a database (which incidently Spain didn't have when I went on holiday) - but thats always the way, Labour have always punished the majority.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA AHHAA load of tosh! The border controls here are to stop those coming in who aren't citizens or legally allowed to remain here! A sign of a sovereign nation (which isn't even relevant to the EU rubbish you talk of, because we aren't in the schengen zone).

In terms of wages, if a somebody has spent years upon years training in university, doing well in school just why should and what right do a government have to take more of a percentage of his wages, none. Infact the more amazing thing is that when Poll Tax was introduced (which ment each individual paid for themselves rather than the householder) their was utter outcry against it, yet Labour have introduced stealth tax after stealth tax hitting the poor and middle class and there are no protests against it - because its Labour.

Yeah, that's why they put up tax to 50% on those earning a LOT of money. And yeah, they should take more of a percentage, so others can attempt to be able to do the same.

I can gurantee when the Conservatives again office the country will be crippled by strikes, because the unions cannot stand anyone (just like you) having a different opinion to them, and they'll use every dirty trick in the book to bring the government down, just watch and I know you'll be one of those chanting from the sidelines "look at the state of the country now the Conservatives are in office, strikes taking place all the time.".

The unions have little to no power now because they were destroyed by the tories. The percentage of people in unions is fairly low.

I will also ask again; how are UKIP racist?

EDIT:

I'd like you to show me how Robert Kilroy Silk was racist, futhermore theres no proof what so ever that UKIP is racist at all and finally David Cameron can say what he wants, it doesn't mean I have to agree with his every word.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3404715.stm

[Ardemax]

Well seeing as you link relentlessly to the telegraph and moreso to the daily fail what other conclusion am I meant to think? That you are a free-thinker that looks at everything for several viewpoints? Like someone who makes an informed and intelligent argument?

http://jobs.telegraph.co.uk/job/2579...y+Co-ordinator


There is one example that I found, on the telegraph government-jobs website of a useless non-job, sometimes it makes me wonder how did we ever manage without these people?

But it has 524 local government jobs. and 26 government jobs, whilst guardian's just goes under 'government'


AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA AHHAA load of tosh! The border controls here are to stop those coming in who aren't citizens or legally allowed to remain here! A sign of a sovereign nation (which isn't even relevant to the EU rubbish you talk of, because we aren't in the schengen zone).


Yeah, that's why they put up tax to 50% on those earning a LOT of money. And yeah, they should take more of a percentage, so others can attempt to be able to do the same.

The unions have little to no power now because they were destroyed by the tories. The percentage of people in unions is fairly low.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3404715.stm[/QUOTE]

well done my friend
nicely owned there +rep