'Naked' scanner in airport trial

[Hushie]

My point is that democracy should be preserved and that we should avoid using the tools and techniques that Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Chairman Mao could only of dreamed of.

You're seriously comparing anti-terrorism tools to this? :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

You're seriously comparing anti-terrorism tools to this? :rolleyes:

Kind of you to reply to my other points, but yes I am as history is key to everything. We are a democratic country, apparently fighting for freedom against the terrorists i yet at the same time we treat the population as suspected terrorists, peadophiles and criminals.

[Jordy]

You're seriously comparing anti-terrorism tools to this? :rolleyes:

Indeed he is. I don't know why you need to begin comparing us to elsewhere, it's also worth noting in China there's not a sustained threat of terrorism but frankly I'd rather we moved off naming countries, forms of government and dictators as it's totally irrelevant (and very typical of someone who is far right).

The point is it's not recording people nor is it doing more than any of the older airport scanners did. It's just more efficent and quicker, it doesn't actually have any new features.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8242238.stm

I'm sure there'd be questions asked if they blew up airlines over the Atlantic. Our so-called "Police state" has saved the lives of thousands and there's the evidence. There's no evidence that any of this is a threat, the only evidence is that it saves lives and captures criminals. It's not 100% efficient as most CCTV cameras are useless but it's better than nothing.

[xxMATTGxx]

Indeed he is. I don't know why you need to begin comparing us to elsewhere, it's also worth noting in China there's not a sustained threat of terrorism but frankly I'd rather we moved off naming countries, forms of government and dictators as it's totally irrelevant (and very typical of someone who is far right).

The point is it's not recording people nor is it doing more than any of the older airport scanners did. It's just more efficent and quicker, it doesn't actually have any new features.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8242238.stm

I'm sure there'd be questions asked if they blew up airlines over the Atlantic. Our so-called "Police state" has saved the lives of thousands and there's the evidence. There's no evidence that any of this is a threat, the only evidence is that it saves lives and captures criminals. It's not 100% efficient as most CCTV cameras are useless but it's better than nothing.

Well said Jordy. I don't remember anyone from the 9/11 attacks working at the airport? Anyway. This is a good system; it will be quicker than the actual system at the moment with us taking our shoes off etc. It will also ensure the safety of us in the air from anyone trying to blow us up. I really don't mind about this and won't have any grudges if I have to go through one. Same with CCTV, you get used to cameras being everywhere and that doesn't bother me either.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Indeed he is. I don't know why you need to begin comparing us to elsewhere, it's also worth noting in China there's not a sustained threat of terrorism but frankly I'd rather we moved off naming countries, forms of government and dictators as it's totally irrelevant (and very typical of someone who is far right).

The point is it's not recording people nor is it doing more than any of the older airport scanners did. It's just more efficent and quicker, it doesn't actually have any new features.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8242238.stm

I'm sure there'd be questions asked if they blew up airlines over the Atlantic. Our so-called "Police state" has saved the lives of thousands and there's the evidence. There's no evidence that any of this is a threat, the only evidence is that it saves lives and captures criminals. It's not 100% efficient as most CCTV cameras are useless but it's better than nothing.

It is not democratic or right, it is not justified when we allow criminals and extremists to openly settle in this country. Infact, if we did correct criminal checks on who and who isn't in this country and who is coming in to this country, then the threat would be basically removed.

Well said Jordy. I don't remember anyone from the 9/11 attacks working at the airport? Anyway. This is a good system; it will be quicker than the actual system at the moment with us taking our shoes off etc. It will also ensure the safety of us in the air from anyone trying to blow us up. I really don't mind about this and won't have any grudges if I have to go through one. Same with CCTV, you get used to cameras being everywhere and that doesn't bother me either.

That was because before 9/11 airport security was nothing like it is now.

[Yoshimitsui]

It is not democratic or right, it is not justified when we allow criminals and extremists to openly settle in this country. Infact, if we did correct criminal checks on who and who isn't in this country and who is coming in to this country, then the threat would be basically removed.



That was because before 9/11 airport security was nothing like it is now.

Hence why it has improved and has to keep up with the ever changing world to keep people protected so that a repeat of 9/11 doesn't happen. People already in the country who may be a threat is another issue that is been tackled by certain departments and yes it may be so that they have no place here but by increasing security they have a highly reduced chance of succeeding. If they were that adamant on causing threat to people in the first place they would try it no matter were they are or be any means possible.

[Jordy]

It is not democratic or right, it is not justified when we allow criminals and extremists to openly settle in this country. Infact, if we did correct criminal checks on who and who isn't in this country and who is coming in to this country, then the threat would be basically removed.

I'm afraid that simply isn't true, the 7/7 bombers etc have all been British Citizens from what I remember. Admittedly they had spent time in Pakistan but so do a lot of British Muslims due to their families being over there and the popular Muslim education centres over there. Keeping proper checks of who's in the country is needed (And almost impossible) but it's not going to stop all that much, there's no need to stop everything else as well.

This guy isn't a terrorist but he's a purely British serial killer:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/7256402.stm

If he wasn't on the national DNA database it's likely he would of never been caught.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Hence why it has improved and has to keep up with the ever changing world to keep people protected so that a repeat of 9/11 doesn't happen. People already in the country who may be a threat is another issue that is been tackled by certain departments and yes it may be so that they have no place here but by increasing security they have a highly reduced chance of succeeding. If they were that adamant on causing threat to people in the first place they would try it no matter were they are or be any means possible.

The Bush administration and the Blair-Brown government both pushed through so called 'anti-terrorism' legislation which has now been used in both countrys by the government to spy on people, as said in Farenheit 9/11 by a congressman, they had been waiting for years to pass these powers through and when 9/11 came they thought, heres our chance.

I'm afraid that simply isn't true, the 7/7 bombers etc have all been British Citizens from what I remember. Admittedly they had spent time in Pakistan but so do a lot of British Muslims due to their families being over there and the popular Muslim education centres over there. Keeping proper checks of who's in the country is needed (And almost impossible) but it's not going to stop all that much, there's no need to stop everything else as well.

This guy isn't a terrorist but he's a purely British serial killer:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/7256402.stm

If he wasn't on the national DNA database it's likely he would of never been caught.

The people who preach this hate must come from somewhere else, and that is the root cause of the problem - terrorism is here, and will be here until the world ends so the majority should not be punished, because of a very low threat level from these people.

[Hushie]

The people who preach this hate must come from somewhere else, and that is the root cause of the problem - terrorism is here, and will be here until the world ends so the majority should not be punished, because of a very low threat level from these people.

Yes, because walking through a scanner to make sure we're not carrying anything dangerous is really punishing us.

You seem to like overreacting.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes, because walking through a scanner to make sure we're not carrying anything dangerous is really punishing us.

You seem to like overreacting.

I agree with scanners, but not scanners such as these, the databases, criminal records for small offences, people being fined for leaving wheelie bins out a day too late, CCTV being rampant everywhere - this is treating us like criminals.