Is it justifiable to execute criminals?

[Ardemax]

A execution for a murder is fair, you forfeit your right to life if you murder someone else. On 'rotting in prison' - murders dont rot in prison, even in the United States where prison is far worse than the ones we have, they feel at home, they like it there - most of them have always lived rough and been involved in gangwars, in prison its the same just that they dont have to worry about money, food or a bed at night to sleep in.

I'm sorry but if you were told you would be in prison for 25 years or you could die just then. I think I'd know the easier way out.

[Invent]

I'm sorry but if you were told you would be in prison for 25 years or you could die just then. I think I'd know the easier way out.

If I was given the choice of either of those I'd pick the former like most other sane people I imagine...

[alexxxxx]

Justice is getting something in return for the bad deed that someone has caused upon you. Someone grafitting on a church and then being made to clean all the grafitti off in the town/village is justice. A family of a murdered victim doesn't recieve anything for the death of a loved one, all an execution is the removal of someone elses life, it's not like that life can somehow be transfered into the corpse of the dead to see them reanimate. All we have is two dead bodies. The family and friends can never be repaid.

[Ardemax]

Yeah, and again, what if you got it wrong?

We suddenly don't have magical healing powers.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The reason there isn't a referendum on it is because opinion polls show that the general public would likely vote it in on the majority

So what judgement fits murder if not losing your own life?

What about them? They've still killed someone and murder is still illegal

Oh does it? - I always thought it'd lose if put to a referendum. Well there we have it, yet another thing which the elite are afraid of, none of them represent us (Lib/Lab/Con) and they are totally arrogant in how they refuse to do what the public want.

I'm sorry but if you were told you would be in prison for 25 years or you could die just then. I think I'd know the easier way out.

That is you, as I said before, most of these people don't mind even the roughest prisons because its a more secure and better life than they have ever had. It is easy for you to say that while sat in a warm home, with a loving family, with friends - but these people aren't like that.

Justice is getting something in return for the bad deed that someone has caused upon you. Someone grafitting on a church and then being made to clean all the grafitti off in the town/village is justice. A family of a murdered victim doesn't recieve anything for the death of a loved one, all an execution is the removal of someone elses life, it's not like that life can somehow be transfered into the corpse of the dead to see them reanimate. All we have is two dead bodies. The family and friends can never be repaid.

No they can't be repaid you are right, however in the interests of justice that person who is a danger and cost to the state is removed because they forfeitted their right to life, thats justice.

[Ardemax]

Oh does it? - I always thought it'd lose if put to a referendum. Well there we have it, yet another thing which the elite are afraid of, none of them represent us (Lib/Lab/Con) and they are totally arrogant in how they refuse to do what the public want.



That is you, as I said before, most of these people don't mind even the roughest prisons because its a more secure and better life than they have ever had. It is easy for you to say that while sat in a warm home, with a loving family, with friends - but these people aren't like that.



No they can't be repaid you are right, however in the interests of justice that person who is a danger and cost to the state is removed because they forfeitted their right to life, thats justice.

Unless you've been to a prison im sure we can't comment

Yeah it is easy to say, you kill the murderer -> it's going to be the same effect for that family, you may not think it, but they probably have a loving family and loving friends too.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well considering prisons now have Xboxs, gyms and so forth; not to mention a lot of free time, all sorts of meals and so on, I can pretty much say that prisons aren't a nightmare like they should be, hence why crime keeps rising.

On the fact they have a loving family - so? - they killed somebody, they forfeitted their right to life.

[Ardemax]

Well considering prisons now have Xboxs, gyms and so forth; not to mention a lot of free time, all sorts of meals and so on, I can pretty much say that prisons aren't a nightmare like they should be, hence why crime keeps rising.

On the fact they have a loving family - so? - they killed somebody, they forfeitted their right to life.

It doesn't deter anything?

Haven't you seen America lately?

And not all prisons have Xboxs............................

[-:Undertaker:-]

It doesn't deter anything?

Haven't you seen America lately?

And not all prisons have Xboxs............................

It does deter people, thats why when Michael Howard (former Conservative Leader and Home Secretary) was in office under Thatcher/Major, he introduced tougher sentences which involved prison and crime fell by a large percentage.

Prison works.

[Ardemax]

It does deter people, thats why when Michael Howard (former Conservative Leader and Home Secretary) was in office under Thatcher/Major, he introduced tougher sentences which involved prison and crime fell by a large percentage.

Prison works.

Yeah I know it does, I was saying the death pentalty doesn't deter people........