106-year-old resident loses battle against carehome closure

[alexxxxx]

£2,000,000 isn't alot for something that could of had a long-term future :S Loads of you seem to think it's a one off payment to fix the home for a short-term then demolish it, like the payment and improvements were only going to be put in place for as long as the eldest resident of 106 has left in her :/ £2,000,000 isn't alot, more is spent on roads which just get destroyed within a year anyway.

Woah, that care-home is huge! If the home was tiny and the 2 million was going to spent on a building that was small, it would be a waste, but from what Google has produced, and the pictures taken of the home, it wasn't a tiny building :/ Though if there wasn't alot of residents to begin with, then there would be problems. Still, not very useful they were kicking out old people so soon when they could of left it to die with dignity.

Well if they already have spare capacity in places that are better suited and meet new guidelines, it is a waste of money. Local government haven't got millions to throw away here and there and a lot have deficits.

[Alkaz]

People are in homes for a reason, major upset like this isnt good for anyone let alone them. Pretty shameful for the council to continue with this.

[-:Undertaker:-]

wrong. he can't ORDER them, only bribe them. even on three line whips, an MP who does not tow the party line will not be punished formally. those who do tow the party lines consistently however, may be rewarded with a nice cosey seat in the cabinet.

and regarding saying brown is in the wrong for attacking this problem the wrong way... that's your opinion, not a fact, i don't think you understand the difference between the two?

last line - that's just politics...

Which is basically ordering, if your MPs and councillors stop taking notice of you and your policies thats when you know you are finished. On the second part, I never said its all a fact so stop attempting to make me look stupid by twisting my words. Of course it is an opinion, if I didn't have opinions I wouldn't be human would I and I certainly wouldn't be posting in this forum.

council is pretty much split 50:50 tory/labour with 5 lib dems. surely you can't just blame labour..

and 2million is a waste on this..

I couldn't care whether it was Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, UKIP, BNP or the Greens - it is wrong. Ontop of what GommeInc has stated; our population is ageing so why on earth are we closing down care homes which are structurally sound? - you say we have a deficit - so why on earth does the government refuse to cut spending, why does it refuse to gain a rebate from the EU, why does it refuse to stop handing out billions every year to other countries?

Because it seems to serve and care for everyone but its own people. £6 million today to Haiti yet Cockermouth has just been left with a mere £1 million. An absolute disgrace.

£2,000,000 isn't alot for something that could of had a long-term future :S Loads of you seem to think it's a one off payment to fix the home for a short-term then demolish it, like the payment and improvements were only going to be put in place for as long as the eldest resident of 106 has left in her :/ £2,000,000 isn't alot, more is spent on roads which just get destroyed within a year anyway.

Woah, that care-home is huge! If the home was tiny and the 2 million was going to spent on a building that was small, it would be a waste, but from what Google has produced, and the pictures taken of the home, it wasn't a tiny building :/ Though if there wasn't alot of residents to begin with, then there would be problems. Still, not very useful they were kicking out old people so soon when they could of left it to die with dignity.

Thank you, some common sense at last.

[alexxxxx]

I couldn't care whether it was Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, UKIP, BNP or the Greens - it is wrong. Ontop of what GommeInc has stated; our population is ageing so why on earth are we closing down care homes which are structurally sound? - you say we have a deficit - so why on earth does the government refuse to cut spending, why does it refuse to gain a rebate from the EU, why does it refuse to stop handing out billions every year to other countries?

central government and local government are SPLIT. this has nothing to do with central government... the eu and the like have nothing to do with this whatsoever. my county is being ravaged by tory spending cuts meaning lots of public services are being cut, some offices closed causing people a lot of issues. it's what has to be done in local government. cuts have to be made and because of the conservative influence NOTHING is sacred. if ukip were running it, i doubt there would be any public care homes anyway.

[-:Undertaker:-]

central government and local government are SPLIT. this has nothing to do with central government... the eu and the like have nothing to do with this whatsoever. my county is being ravaged by tory spending cuts meaning lots of public services are being cut, some offices closed causing people a lot of issues. it's what has to be done in local government.

Central government funds local government, the EU is another can of worms but the EU also has a great deal of control over everything - you know this and I know this although you aren't all that keen on admitting the extent of its control - although this is another can of worms which has little to do with the subject at hand. On the subject;- yeah there are spending cuts and there needs to be, but I am saying that how can we refuse to fund real issues such as this care home when we are giving millions a day to the European Union and millions to other countries around the world all the time?

The answer is, none of it makes sense. The British people are paying for their own demise.

On UKIP - why are UKIP being dragged into this again?. Although it seems clear now that we want to discuss UKIP, UKIP would I presume in the short-term fund these sort of things as they are for this country, whereas in the long-term people would be persuaded to bankroll their own retirement through investing in housing and so on, thats how conservatism works.

[alexxxxx]

Central government funds local government, the EU is another can of worms but the EU also has a great deal of control over everything - you know this and I know this although you aren't all that keen on admitting the extent of its control - although this is another can of worms which has little to do with the subject at hand. On the subject;- yeah there are spending cuts and there needs to be, but I am saying that how can we refuse to fund real issues such as this care home when we are giving millions a day to the European Union and millions to other countries around the world all the time?

look, i don't give a toss about what you think of the EU. Nor is it relevant. Yes, local government gets a PROPORTION of its income from national government, it recieves a fixed amount every year, no doubt this amount is decreasing. I heard the EU controls how much milk you're allowed to put your on your cereal in the morning. :rolleyes:

On UKIP - why are UKIP being dragged into this again?. Although it seems clear now that we want to discuss UKIP, UKIP would I presume in the short-term fund these sort of things as they are for this country, whereas in the long-term people would be persuaded to bankroll their own retirement through investing in housing and so on, thats how conservatism works.

UKIP are a corrupt joke. and it's far right views on social welfare which will no doubt be fine for the rich, will not go down well with those on low to medium incomes. do you want to be like in the US where old people have to work till they're dead because they can't afford the medecine? that's what real conservatism leads to so don't tell me that you believe that this home should be paid to be kept open. surely if it's UKIP's policy to make people bankroll their own retirement, they should start by closing down ineffective and costly care homes..?

[-:Undertaker:-]

look, i don't give a toss about what you think of the EU. Nor is it relevant. Yes, local government gets a PROPORTION of its income from national government, it recieves a fixed amount every year, no doubt this amount is decreasing. I heard the EU controls how much milk you're allowed to put your on your cereal in the morning. :rolleyes:

Yeah so central government does have a say over local government, and why have you brought the European Union itself up when it has nothing to do with this subject?? :S As I was only referring to the EU and other large money expenditures as examples for how we could easily afford to keep this care home open.

UKIP are a corrupt joke. and it's far right views on social welfare which will no doubt be fine for the rich, will not go down well with those on low to medium incomes. do you want to be like in the US where old people have to work till they're dead because they can't afford the medecine? that's what real conservatism leads to so don't tell me that you believe that this home should be paid to be kept open. surely if it's UKIP's policy to make people bankroll their own retirement, they should start by closing down ineffective and costly care homes..?

No I don't, I want safety nets but not outright greed. My Dad is unemployed at the moment - we are not rich, yeah we can afford things because we saved up. THAT is conservatism, true conservatism. The individual looks after himself rather than relying on somebody else (the state) to pamper him and to give him all he needs. This is alexxx where history comes into play, socialism does not allow prosperity because it is all very well and fine down on paper and in dreams but not in the real world.

Go ask the people of Eastern Europe, Cambodia, North Korea, China, Vietnam and others if they enjoyed their time in socialist paradise. Conservatism works, socialism does not. This was even futher proved by the performance of the British economy from 1970 - present with 1979 being the turning point.

The fact is that socialist hates success, it hates anyone who wants to better themselves. Do not call UKIP corrupt when you support a federal europe without the British or European people being given a say, that is the height of hypocrisy not to mention the fact that the EU's audits haven't been checked in years with billions and billions missing.

I told you before, the sensible policy would be to keep these care homes open and we could very well do this;- we have the resources for the money so let us spend it here rather than everywhere else. As we have a ageing population, the long-term policy should be to give people and educate people about the fact that investing in something will secure your future, this would in turn mean less people relying on the state when they are older - thus leaving the country in better shape.

[Bun]

Which is basically ordering, if your MPs and councillors stop taking notice of you and your policies thats when you know you are finished.

completely depends on which model of representation you favour.

[alexxxxx]

Yeah so central government does have a say over local government, and why have you brought the European Union itself up when it has nothing to do with this subject?? :S As I was only referring to the EU and other large money expenditures as examples for how we could easily afford to keep this care home open.

There's a formula about how much money local government is given by central government, but central government has little power over how it's spent.

No I don't, I want safety nets but not outright greed. My Dad is unemployed at the moment - we are not rich, yeah we can afford things because we saved up. THAT is conservatism, true conservatism. The individual looks after himself rather than relying on somebody else (the state) to pamper him and to give him all he needs. This is alexxx where history comes into play, socialism does not allow prosperity because it is all very well and fine down on paper and in dreams but not in the real world.

Well that's what they are DESIGNED to be. That's what benefits are for. That's what the NHS is. Ask the single parent working on £6/hour if they could POSSIBLY afford healthcare or saving for retirement. It's not possible for a lot of people. Even people on modest money can't afford to. I'm lucky enough to have parents who can afford to save for me. But I know people who will come out of university with stupid amounts of debt. In your world, this anglo-american model of capitalism should help everyone. It teaches people there is always room at the top if they work hard enough. In reality, it's a pyramid scheme benefiting the mega rich.

[-:Undertaker:-]

completely depends on which model of representation you favour.

I favour the abolition of whips, but in this current system Gordon Brown has the influence to divert money from central government to local government in case of emergency.

There's a formula about how much money local government is given by central government, but central government has little power over how it's spent.

Well that's what they are DESIGNED to be. That's what benefits are for. That's what the NHS is. Ask the single parent working on £6/hour if they could POSSIBLY afford healthcare or saving for retirement. It's not possible for a lot of people. Even people on modest money can't afford to. I'm lucky enough to have parents who can afford to save for me. But I know people who will come out of university with stupid amounts of debt. In your world, this anglo-american model of capitalism should help everyone. It teaches people there is always room at the top if they work hard enough. In reality, it's a pyramid scheme benefiting the mega rich.

YES I am not saying lets get rid of free healthcare or benefits, I am saying that people should strive for the best;- you can see it all around you, kids who don't have any ambition because they can just fall back on benefits when they are older "it doesn't matter the state will look after me if I don't try" - how on EARTH can we expect to compete with the world when an attitude like that is spreading, epsecially around families whom are poorer and whose kids have not known any better.

The anglo-saxon model DOES work, no its not perfect and NEVER will be and I have never said it will be. There will ALWAYS be hardship, socialism has been tried alexxx just listen to history, it failed.

Margaret Thatcher said, would you rather the poor be poorer?

NEVER has that been more true.