Jon Venables back in Jail

[jackass]

All everybody wants to do is kill him because he made a mistake when he was 10.

A MISTAKE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

Read all that please.

They shouldnt be killed they should be tortured.

Completely agreed.

[Catzsy]

It seems that he was pretty dysfunctional from a early age. Shame people didn't pick up on it earlier. Some backgound that I found:

Jon Venables
Jon was unusually agitated the day before James was abducted. He was restless and out of control.

Teachers started noticing Jon's attention-seeking behavior when it began in 1991. He would do strange things, like rock back and forth in his chair, holding onto his desk, moaning and making odd noises. His teacher moved him to the front of the class where she could keep an eye on him, but then he took to knocking things over on her desk. At first, Jon's violence was self-inflicted. He banged his head on the furniture, against the wall, and would throw himself on the floor. Jon cut himself with scissors and tore at his own clothing. But sometimes his self-destruction pivoted outward. He roamed around the classroom, tearing down the displays and artwork of other students. Jon stood on his desk and threw things at other children. Teachers documented his disruptive antics — they had never seen anything like it before.

His strange behavior was growing increasingly violent. In one incident, he approached another classmate from behind and began choking the boy with a wooden ruler. (It took two adults to pry Jon off of the boy.) He was soon transferred to another school. He was hyper and easily distracted. One teacher thought he was lazy. Falling behind in his assignments was probably another way to call attention to himself. No one thought of Jon as a "bad" kid, in fact some teachers thought of him as a sweet child, and felt sympathy for him. They thought he was pleading for help.

What was going on with Jon at home? Did his family life have something to do with his increasingly disturbed behavior?

Jon was born August 13, 1982, to parents Susan and Neil Venables. Neil worked as a forklift driver but was often unemployed. Jon was the middle child, and both of his siblings had developmental problems. His older brother was born with a cleft pallet, which led to communication problems and increasing frustration and temper tantrums. Jon's brother attended a special school, and his parents spent a lot of their time trying to control him. Sometimes he would be sent to foster families. Jon's younger sister also had developmental problems and ended up at a special needs school as well. Jon was stuck in the middle, feeling ignored, and perhaps resentful of the attention his siblings received. Sometimes Jon would mimic his older brother's tantrums.

Susan and Neil Venables had a tumultuous relationship, splitting apart, and then reuniting. The household was in a state of constant upheaval. After Neil left, Susan and the children lived with her mother, and then moved in with Neil again, only to move out to find public housing in Liverpool. Sometimes Neil would return for reconciliation. The instability affected all three kids. Both parents had histories of clinical depression, and Susan was particularly prone to hysterics. She came from a "strict and disciplined" background, and had been observed physically and verbally assaulting Jon. In stressful times she would shuttle Jon off to Neil's house, unable to cope with him. At the age of seven, Jon was showing signs of anti-social behavior. He hated the neighborhood children who would tease him and his siblings. Jon himself had a squint in his eye, which other kids mocked. Jon was an easy target for the other kids, and they teased him mercilessly, because he was so easily worked up by their provocations.

Because he was too difficult to manage, Jon was transferred to another school, but kept behind a year. This is where he met Robert Thompson, another student who was also kept behind. Susan said that Jon was transferred because other students were bullying him, but once he met Robert, the two became bullies. They singled out kids who were weak or easy targets and picked on them. With Robert as his companion, Jon felt tough, emboldened. The two also took to skipping school on a regular basis.

Teachers noticed how Jon and Robert seemed to bring out the worst in each other, and made efforts to keep them apart. Although they could separate them in the classroom, there was nothing they could do when they skipped school. No one saw the boys as potentially violent, or even more troublesome than the other kids. Jon wasn't willing to work and disrupted the class. Robert was quiet, but seemed to be a shrewd liar, and able to manipulate other students. He seemed more mature than Jon.

At home, Jon's mother changed his diet, hoping it would calm him down, but nothing worked. He picked fights with his brother. When Jon stayed with his father Neil, Robert would come by, but Neil would chase him away. Robert had a bad reputation and Neil warned Jon to stay away from him.

But some would later argue that more deadly influences came to Jon at home with his father. Not through abuse, but through rented movies. Neil Venables rented a lot of videos, and much has been made of his selection. Even the judge at the Bulger trial made mention of the bad influence of horror movies. Neil did not rent esoteric or particularly brutal movies. Jon loved the karate movies, and wished he could be like Rocky. He drew scenes from the Halloween films. But it was Neil's January 18, 1993 rental, "Child's Play 3" that called attention to the video/violence connection. In "Child's Play 3," the soul of a serial killer inhabits a doll named "Chucky". The evil doll, about the size of James, runs around slaughtering hapless victims. But in the end, he is killed in a haunted roller coaster/train ride. A battle ensues on the tracks, and Chucky, who is eventually dismembered, has blue paint splattered on his face from an earlier scene. Although there is no proof that Jon saw the entire film, there are some coincidences. The little child-doll as bad guy, who the heroes destroy in the end. Perhaps it took this cinematic image to invert James into the bad boy, the one who has to die. Jon fantasized about being a hero, the good guy. But he was too scared to take on anyone other than a baby.

Although Jon had an active imagination, he apparently repressed a great deal of hostility. He denied that there were any problems at home, despite his hysterical behavior in class. While he claimed that his family was very loving and supportive, his physical actions speak another truth. During his confession, Jon acted out some hostility toward his father, particularly when the issue of sexual assault on James came up. He walked over to his father and began punching him, crying "me dad thinks I know and I don't." After the first day of trial, he shouted angrily at his absent father. There is little information on the Venables family. Neil didn't appear to be abusive. Susan, however, appears to have wielded an extreme amount of control over Jon. More than anything, he absolutely feared her condemnation and rejection.

[lazerman]

A MISTAKE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

Read all that please.



Completely agreed.

Wekipedia? No thanks, Nothing about the child mental state, how the parents treated him. Age 10? That the parents fault. Not the child. How the heck can you blame a ten year old child for doing that?

It seems that he was pretty dysfunctional from a early age. Shame people didn't pick up on it earlier. Some backgound that I found:

Thanks

[Jordy]

Wekipedia? No thanks, Nothing about the child mental state, how the parents treated him. Age 10? That the parents fault. Not the child. How the heck can you blame a ten year old child for doing that?

I have no doubt his parents are entirely to blame for how he is, however he was 10, and he was not disabled or mentally handicapped. He knew what right and wrong was and chose to do wrong. He did the crime and he knew better, sadly there's a lot of people with absolutely terrible parents but they don't go around torturing and killing three year olds.

[lazerman]

Teachers started noticing Jon's attention-seeking behavior when it began in 1991. He would do strange things

People don't just change?

He banged his head on the furniture, against the wall, and would throw himself on the floor. Jon cut himself with scissors and tore at his own clothing.

Not normal? Teachers and parents should have reported this to the mental unit imo.

Jon was the middle child, and both of his siblings had developmental problems

erm no? So far all evidence show Jon had problems coming already.

his parents spent a lot of their time trying to control him.

He didnt get much loving either. He was also bullied, infact many kids I know who have been bullied have changed and turn in to a bully. Happened to me so yeh.

But some would later argue that more deadly influences came to Jon at home with his father. Not through abuse, but through rented movies. Neil Venables rented a lot of videos

Father letting a a kid under 10 watch horror/brutal movies? How do you not know that the kid had development problems and was slow with learning, however watching the movies 'thought this was the right thing to do' 'Kill people'.

Im sorry, but many people had chances to sort him out, thought out school life and home life, and letting him watch horror movies? No thanks.

Should be allowed to be freed. As far I know, he could have a 'problem' in his head.

[Blue]

I have no doubt his parents are entirely to blame for how he is, however he was 10, and he was not disabled or mentally handicapped. He knew what right and wrong was and chose to do wrong. He did the crime and he knew better, sadly there's a lot of people with absolutely terrible parents but they don't go around torturing and killing three year olds.

Of course he didn't know right from wrong. Thats what parents are meant to do, teach the child how to behave. From what I read in the article and remember from my RE teacher, they both had absolutely shocking lives at home. You can see their parents didn't care.
If your just going to jump on the bandwagon and say "Oh slaughter them, torture them" then your even worse then they are. You should even know right from wrong. To be honest, I think it's good they got new lives. It wasn't their fault their parents were absolute blights on the earth. One of the brothers went to University, and that's more than you could say for some people on the Earth.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Of course he didn't know right from wrong. Thats what parents are meant to do, teach the child how to behave. From what I read in the article and remember from my RE teacher, they both had absolutely shocking lives at home. You can see their parents didn't care.
If your just going to jump on the bandwagon and say "Oh slaughter them, torture them" then your even worse then they are. You should even know right from wrong. To be honest, I think it's good they got new lives. It wasn't their fault their parents were absolute blights on the earth. One of the brothers went to University, and that's more than you could say for some people on the Earth.

That is no excuse to kill somebody and never should be; that little boy is dead because of the two lads who killed him and nobody else. If you kill someone, its you the individual who makes that choice. Nobody else. It is time people start taking responsibility for themselves and stop blaming everything on their background, childhood and so on.

[dbgtz]

You've commited a brutal murder, here's millions of pounds at the taxpayers expense which could be put towards much more useful things but no, were going to help criminals who don't deserve it. No don't worry, were stealing their money too!

I honestly don't care what they do or what happens to them but wasting OUR money on criminals? Yes they are criminals. It's just a total ptake in my book. I'm starting to hate our government more and more.

[Blue]

That is no excuse to kill somebody and never should be; that little boy is dead because of the two lads who killed him and nobody else. If you kill someone, its you the individual who makes that choice. Nobody else. It is time people start taking responsibility for themselves and stop blaming everything on their background, childhood and so on.

Well where does everyone learn how to act from? Their parents. In the animal kingdom and here. When I was younger, i hit my sister, but my mum told me not to, so I didn't.
There was no discipline anywhere in his life.

[Jordy]

Of course he didn't know right from wrong. Thats what parents are meant to do, teach the child how to behave. From what I read in the article and remember from my RE teacher, they both had absolutely shocking lives at home. You can see their parents didn't care.
If your just going to jump on the bandwagon and say "Oh slaughter them, torture them" then your even worse then they are. You should even know right from wrong. To be honest, I think it's good they got new lives. It wasn't their fault their parents were absolute blights on the earth. One of the brothers went to University, and that's more than you could say for some people on the Earth.

They still knew that murdering and torturing was wrong? If they thought it was right they would of admitted to it straight away rather than lied through their teeth. They're not mental either, they're perfectly normal people (I know it's hard to believe but it is true). They knew full well what they were doing and should (and somewhat did) suffer the consequences. Their parents should be punished too, however they should also be punished as they have broke a serious law none of the less. I have also not said anything on the lines of "torture them", contrary to most other people in this thread. For the record, it wouldn't make me worse than them if I did say that anyway.

Whoopee doo that one of them went to University? I'm sure everybody could go to University if they had millions of pounds spent on their upbringing by the government and were in detention the whole time.