Bring out the clowns! - EU wastes millions on circus skills and hip hop

[alexxxxx]

I do believe in all of them;

- The movement of goods provided it does not harm my country and my people.
- The movement of people provided it does not harm my country and my people.
- Equal rights, not rights in favour of somebody because of the colour of their skin/sexuality/gender.

so not really then.

nor do you believe in individualism or really true capitalism.

[-:Undertaker:-]

so not really then.

nor do you believe in individualism or really true capitalism.

That is true capitalism, it is you who has called for more regulations on the markets and continue to support more EU control over business. If something does not work then you do away with it - its that simple.

[alexxxxx]

That is true capitalism, it is you who has called for more regulations on the markets and continue to support more EU control over business. If something does not work then you do away with it - its that simple.

i don't support full, 100% capitalism - as it doesn't work for anyone.

no, what you like is social conservatism - the conservation of your society and an extension of your ideals over everyone else. you've already said you don't like multiculturalism. surely as individuals, you shouldn't care nor should you if you are a true libertarian. who are YOUR people? sounds a bit tribal if you ask me, not really very individual.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i don't support full, 100% capitalism - as it doesn't work for anyone.

no, what you like is social conservatism - the conservation of your society and an extension of your ideals over everyone else. you've already said you don't like multiculturalism. surely as individuals, you shouldn't care nor should you if you are a true libertarian. who are YOUR people? sounds a bit tribal if you ask me, not really very individual.

The ideal of conservatism is inseperable from liberty and freedom, Libertarian is a branch of Conservatism in which I believe in. Its basically Thatcherism. If I truly believed in a Conservative 'dictatorship' over everybody else (which is near to impossible because true conservatism is inseperate, again, from liberty and democracy) then I would not support the idea of referendums and more power and democracy to lower levels which would be taken away from central government. My people? - they can be black, brown, white, green, yellow - I dont care. My people are the British people, the individuals who believe in democracy and freedom. I have never said once that I do not like multi-culturalism so do not say that I have. I have said I do not agree with the way this government has run it (the floodgates open). Multi-culturalism is not colonalism where their ideals are placed on this country, it is where they accept the British way of life and path of democracy.

The concept of individual does not mean you do not look out for anybody else, it merely means more freedom and the persons choice. True liberty and conservativism is unreachable however the nearest we can get has been proven to work (the 1980s). Thatcherism (the concept of free market) allows people to flourish to their abilities, not who they are. Marxism on the other hand and its many branches such as socialism aim to stop this in the name of equality.

As Jamie Oliver puts it quite simply, I only care about Great Britain in relation to the whole picture and I want the best for my country always; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3qcgAQGbEI

[Catzsy]

I thought this thread was about the EU spending money on 'Culture'. If you had presented this as a waste of money
without what I consider to be bigoted views on what the UK Culture is you may have had some sort of support. The thread again has turned into a verbal assault containing your political views that can be found in almost every thread in Current Affairs and quite honestly I find ,personally, seeing the same comments over and over again quite tiresome.

[Adamm]

If people want clowns they should pay for clowns. Visit Downing Street - you're bound to find a few.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I thought this thread was about the EU spending money on 'Culture'. If you had presented this as a waste of money
without what I consider to be bigoted views on what the UK Culture is you may have had some sort of support. The thread again has turned into a verbal assault containing your political views that can be found in almost every thread in Current Affairs and quite honestly I find ,personally, seeing the same comments over and over again quite tiresome.

It is about that, and its conformed to forum rules with the conversation moving ever so slightly to other issues of which me and alex have been debating about. Everybody posts their opinion in any thread otherwise we wouldnt have a forum in the first place and secondly we wouldnt be human. You say I shouldn't mention what UK culture is yet say we should talk about the subject at hand which is British culture. See the flaw there?

If people want clowns they should pay for clowns. Visit Downing Street - you're bound to find a few.

Haha too true.
+rep some common sense.

[jrh2002]

Another waste of money....... Lets see how all these people who if worked would not mind their taxes going on it feel when they actually do work and see their cash wasted on crackpot ideas. Maybe a poll would be good to see how many times people have been to the circus in their lives lollll
What you have to realise is this scheme will be aimed at the jobless, people going down the wrong road and the minorities so they can build self esteem and help fit in....... Maybe there will be womens only clown sessions to try and get it 50/50 as I am sure the huge percentage of clowns are men and that is discriminating against females lol. I am find it racist that clowns paint their faces white if they were painted black we would have 1000s of the great unwashed anti racism jobless marching on the circus lol

Hip-hop dancing :s im sure theres stuff like this going on all over the uk :s its free to dance but maybe a few pounds to go to lessons but we now want to get ppl dancing for free? be a place for them to buy their drugs while they are at it.

We give money to everybody who sits on their backside and its about time it stopped. These lazy baby farming families are now getting free computers and broadband and they get £500 to go and buy a new computer :s They should get refurished ex council laptops if anything at all.

[Catzsy]

It is about that, and its conformed to forum rules with the conversation moving ever so slightly to other issues of which me and alex have been debating about. Everybody posts their opinion in any thread otherwise we wouldnt have a forum in the first place and secondly we wouldnt be human. You say I shouldn't mention what UK culture is yet say we should talk about the subject at hand which is British culture. See the flaw there?



Haha too true.
+rep some common sense.

Well I do believe you would have a lot more credibility on the forum if you didn't force your views which are always the same constantly in different threads that are just a platform for you to endlessly discuss UKIP and the European Union and basically hijack other peoples threads and steer them in the same old way. Just my opinion, though. Oh yes a huge flaw in saying UK rather than Britain. Gained yourself a few brownie points there.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well I do believe you would have a lot more credibility on the forum if you didn't force your views which are always the same constantly in different threads that are just a platform for you to endlessly discuss UKIP and the European Union and basically hijack other peoples threads and steer them in the same old way. Just my opinion, though. Oh yes a huge flaw in saying UK rather than Britain. Gained yourself a few brownie points there.

I'm not forcing my views on anybody, if you disagree that this is a waste of money then come out and say it rather than attacking me over UKIP which you have brought up. UKIP has little to do with this issue and had nothing to do with this issue until you (again) brought it up and look! - you are still at it. On the issue of the UK I have little idea what you are talking about(explain?) but I often refer to this country as the United Kingdom and always have (check various previous posts if you wish). The culture of this country has little to do with the circus which is a mainly European culture and is not distintivly British and the same goes for hip hop which originated in the United States.

If you think this is a good idea then tell me what is wrong with the concept of people paying for themselves if they wish to go to a circus/hip hop event because theres little doubt in my mind that most people on here rarely go the circus, if they go at all that is.