[IRA] Irish Republican Army

[Richie]

Richie I dont know how much more this can be spelt out to you but Northern Ireland wants to be a part of the United Kingdom and rejects your nationalism at which you turned religion in on itself and held Ireland back for decades thanks to the terrorist ways of Ireland and the IRA who simply could not accept the fact that the people of Northern Ireland wished to remain a part of the United Kingdom and not be a part of the Republic. It is rather simple; a part of a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland wanted to leave - the United Kingdom allowed those who wished to leave to do so and so the Irish Republic was formed. Those who wanted to stay part of the United Kingdom did so.

As for you being so against the British, you didnt hate our money when it was flowing your way during the 1990s and early 2000s in the form of the European Union did you? - I must say that it always amazes me, anti-British this and anti-English that - yet they still accept our money cap in hand. Incredible, just incredible.

I was waiting for your post, I never said I hated the british... if I did I wouldn't be on the forum, all I want to see is Ireland its own country again. I've tried to explain why NI went british but people find it hard to get my posts into their heads...

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was waiting for your post, I never said I hated the british... if I did I wouldn't be on the forum, all I want to see is Ireland its own country again. I've tried to explain why NI went british but people find it hard to get my posts into their heads...

The argument that you are trying to put forward is the view of the Chinese (historical) which is that all land belongs to those who were originally there. The flaw is this argument is quite evident and that is that most of Africa would be returned to the British, Democratic Taiwan would be returned to Mainland China and islands such as the Falklands would belong to nobody as nobody has previously owned them fully. The Republic of Ireland is its own country, it is a country whos people wish to be a part of the nation-state of the Republic of Ireland. The mindset you seem to have is that because you are an island, you must automatically own every part of that island even if it tramples over democracy and the will of the people - that is the wrong mindset and a backward one.

[alexxxxx]

Edit: Look at the video at the time northern Ireland citizens clearly wanted to become part of Britain

yes because that video isn't a propaganda video.

[Catzsy]

Richie, I feel you are being very simplistic about this. Ireland is a country of great complexity and the biggest problem there is sectarianism between the catholics and the protestants. The Republic of Ireland is mainly Catholic and Northern Ireland mainly Protestant. It has taken decades to get peace in the country so I feel you should celebrate this. If the people of Northern Ireland want to be re-united then it will be done by way of democracy. The fact that Northern Ireland exists is because the majority of the people want it to be otherwise I am sure it would have been done by now.
It is not the British Government who is holding on to it - it is the people of Northern Ireland. The IRA are no different from any other terrorist force who when they haven't got a majority mandate resort to bloodshed and violence. To glorify them like you are doing here appears to be a bit niave to me. SinnFein are a democratic force in the country and it is up them to get the necessary support for a referendum to make your wish come true. What happened 50 or 100 years ago is pretty irrelevant now. It is the same down here when people say what happened centuries ago. Countries and people move on and it would like blaming the present day german people for what Hitler did.

[Richie]

The argument that you are trying to put forward is the view of the Chinese (historical) which is that all land belongs to those who were originally there. The flaw is this argument is quite evident and that is that most of Africa would be returned to the British, Democratic Taiwan would be returned to Mainland China and islands such as the Falklands would belong to nobody as nobody has previously owned them fully. The Republic of Ireland is its own country, it is a country whos people wish to be a part of the nation-state of the Republic of Ireland. The mindset you seem to have is that because you are an island, you must automatically own every part of that island even if it tramples over democracy and the will of the people - that is the wrong mindset and a backward one.

Well thats your opinion, but my views are different. If the IRA was still around today I'd be behind them 100%.

It has taken decades to get peace in the country so I feel you should celebrate this.

Since the British invaded Ireland it never has never will, sure only in 2007 there were riots in the heart of dublin because of it... so hardly

What happened 50 or 100 years ago is pretty irrelevant now.

It does to me at the end of the day the british killed irish familys ancestors. But what happened 50 years ago is okay because it was the British who were in the wrong, but 10 years ago its still okay to blame the IRA on 'terrorist attacks'

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well thats your opinion, but my views are different. If the IRA was still around today I'd be behind them 100%.

No that is your view that I have described and I have just explained to you why that view is fundamentally flawed, would you kindly address my points please because afterall you wanted a discussion and now you have one.

[Hitman]

If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

[Pyroka]

If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

its called the EDL lol, i know not as severe but hey theyre trying

[alexxxxx]

If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

it's called the EDL.

[Hitman]

its called the EDL lol, i know not as severe but hey theyre trying

The EDL went through my mind, but honestly, there is going to be big trouble if something isn't done. Members of the EDL will be the first to sign up. But it's a serious issue... mark my words in 10 years maximum, if nothing is done. We will have big problems.

And I mean allout warfare, like bombs in Mosques and guns and ****.