Scientist 'Infected' With Computer Virus

[LoveToStack]

The implication that a pointless, door-opening chip could infect chipped pacemakers with computer viruses and kill people is absolutely ridiculous. I feel sorry for idiots who buy into such scaremongering.

[HotelUser]

I have quite clearly replied to as why fingerprints are not needed at any airport and have shown how civil liberties do not need to be sacrified in the face of a terrorist threat which is nearly non-existant. Therefore I have replied. I have fly usually once a year and have never been asked to give my fingerprints and the fact is that I am not a criminal so why should I be treated like a criminal? (see below the reply to fingerprinting)

Reply to fingerprinting issue at airports;



If you want to sacrifice civil liberties in the face of a 'threat' then whats the point in fighting that threat in the first place because you've already sacrified everything you set out to defend against that threat. Yourself like so many others sadly believes we face some massive threat in which we should sign away our civil liberties for security against a minimal threat - makes me wonder why we even bothered fighting World War II because once civil liberties and freedoms are lost - it is very unlikely they ever come back. A generation grows up thinking it is the norm and is perfectly fine for the state to fingerprint us all, chip us all and generally treat us all like suspected criminals/terrorists and you've just shown its perfectly true.

You saying you'll allow security to open and look in your bags and scan you and your bags but you wont give them your fingerprint? Border police also do random, more intense inspections too. While crossing the border once, they disassembled the front of my uncles Ford Ranger as he was driving into Maine, which took an hour. Also I think you need to better understand what civil liberties are. The only one taking a fingerprint could possibly undermine is the right to privacy (though looking through your body and bags in an airport undermines this in a worse way). Plus, by getting your fingerprint you're helping to give everyone else the civil liberty to the right to security.

If you're seriously not willing to trust a superpower who fought along side Britain in the past, trades with Britain and has good relations with Britain with your fingerprint, then don't come here, because that's incredibly ridiculous. Once again, this is our country and our lives, and if you're the one who wants to come here you shouldn't be complaining.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You saying you'll allow security to open and look in your bags and scan you and your bags but you wont give them your fingerprint? Border police also do random, more intense inspections too. While crossing the border once, they disassembled the front of my uncles Ford Ranger as he was driving into Maine, which took an hour. Also I think you need to better understand what civil liberties are. The only one taking a fingerprint could possibly undermine is the right to privacy (though looking through your body and bags in an airport undermines this in a worse way). Plus, by getting your fingerprint you're helping to give everyone else the civil liberty to the right to security.

If you're seriously not willing to trust a superpower who fought along side Britain in the past, trades with Britain and has good relations with Britain with your fingerprint, then don't come here, because that's incredibly ridiculous. Once again, this is our country and our lives, and if you're the one who wants to come here you shouldn't be complaining.

Oh what a load of old cobblers seriously - the right to security?, oh yes so lets just get ourselves all chipped to give eachother the 'right' to security despite the fact it tramples over nearly every other line and right between the state and the individiual. The difference between baggage and fingerprints is that baggage is just that, materialistic - I could throw it all away tommorow but I cannot change my fingerprint and once the government has hold of it it is unwilling to let go. I also stated that the 'threat' we face is virtually non-existent which is totally and uttersly true, in the words of Peter Hitchens - its far more likely that a eagle will drop a tortoise on my head whilst im walking down the street than it is of me being involved in a terrorist attack.

Trust the United States at present? - you have to be joking. I dont trust my own government (database losses, costly ID cards + numerous other issues) let alone the administration of the United States which took us into an illegal war, blindly supports Israel through thick and thin, has abandoned the ideals of freedom and has pushed Britain onto a sideline despite the fact our men are fighting with their men in Afghanistan.

[GommeInc]

They dont know that :rolleyes:

And they never will unless you commit a crime. It's pointless taking someone's finger prints in the hopes of finding out 'IF', which is a big 'IF' If you commit a crime, then have your finger prints taken... But there is no point having them taken when you arrive as you're innocent. You;d think America would follow their constitution - innocent until proven guilty.

[Swastika]

I don't see why the whole debate over American airports taking your fingerprints was necessary.
I'm sure American's also know your criminal record too at the airport, as sometimes they deny access depending on which crime you have committed.
Giving your fingerprints isn't a big of issue as you lot are making it out to be, and to say you wouldn't go the United States because they take your fingerprints is extremely over the top.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't see why the whole debate over American airports taking your fingerprints was necessary.
I'm sure American's also know your criminal record too at the airport, as sometimes they deny access depending on which crime you have committed.
Giving your fingerprints isn't a big of issue as you lot are making it out to be, and to say you wouldn't go the United States because they take your fingerprints is extremely over the top.

I don't think they do you know, unless that person was on some sort of international terrorist list. Everything else is unknown? I think that is the case, I might be wrong though.

[HotelUser]

Oh what a load of old cobblers seriously - the right to security?, oh yes so lets just get ourselves all chipped to give eachother the 'right' to security despite the fact it tramples over nearly every other line and right between the state and the individiual. The difference between baggage and fingerprints is that baggage is just that, materialistic - I could throw it all away tommorow but I cannot change my fingerprint and once the government has hold of it it is unwilling to let go. I also stated that the 'threat' we face is virtually non-existent which is totally and uttersly true, in the words of Peter Hitchens - its far more likely that a eagle will drop a tortoise on my head whilst im walking down the street than it is of me being involved in a terrorist attack.

Trust the United States at present? - you have to be joking. I dont trust my own government (database losses, costly ID cards + numerous other issues) let alone the administration of the United States which took us into an illegal war, blindly supports Israel through thick and thin, has abandoned the ideals of freedom and has pushed Britain onto a sideline despite the fact our men are fighting with their men in Afghanistan.

Your post outlines the basis surrounding why you wish not for their government to have your fingerprint on record, but you've yet to give me a sufficient consequence which could come out of keeping fingerprint records. The right to security is just as much of a civil liberty as the right to privacy. Infact, either one cannot exist without undermining eachother. Additionally the right to privacy would undermine itself if we were to impose the restrictions you've suggested, because if we limited security measures for foreigners, it would be more difficult to catch foreign criminals who would be, of course, obstructing actual citizen's privacy.

Anyway I still think you're being borderline ridiculous here. I mean if you don't even trust the government with your fingerprint, I can't imagine how paranoid you would be staying in that country.

[Swastika]

I don't think they do you know, unless that person was on some sort of international terrorist list. Everything else is unknown? I think that is the case, I might be wrong though.

Well Britain and the US work very close together, so i think its a real possibility - its widely known that they know your criminal record when landing too.
We nearly got sent home when i went to Florida because of a few incidents that have happened in the past

I think they take your fingerprints too incase you commit a crime whilst in the states, like going on a murder spree or something - at least then when they're trying to hunt you down, they have some sort of identification for you. Obviously we wont be on the American databases.